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The difference between Zed and _why is that _why never believed in an engineering ethos. I wasn't happy that tryruby is so annihilated. The version they recove

by unalone 17y ago

The difference between Zed and _why is that _why never believed in an engineering ethos. I wasn't happy that tryruby is so annihilated. The version they recovered still has issues. I tried using it to get my 14-year-old brother into Ruby, and there was too many bugs for him to smoothly guide through it. But at the same time, I know nothing of _why's decision to remove it, and I won't pretend like I know one so that I can bash him. If one day he returns and explains himself and I find him wanting, then I'll criticize him, but I'm not going to spew hate in his direction even if I do. I'm simply grateful for all the things he gave the community, no strings attached. If the day he'd gone we never saw any of his work again, he'd still have made me a better person, inspired me to try things I'd never done. Beyond that he never had a responsibility to me and so I'm not angry. Hell, I'm still discovering new things of his — the music from his old band is playing through on iTunes now, and it's inspired stuff. (I could further the comparison by saying that Zed writes a lot about practicing guitar, but the music he's made is derivative; _why's music is haphazard and amateur but it evokes something. But that's not fair to Zed.) As I said, I respect some things about Zed, and if he didn't spend his time being an arse to other people I'd respect him a lot more. But all the time he spends being negative really irks me, especially when it's targeted towards one of the most positive people in the community he left so violently.

jacoblyles 17y ago
If Michaelangelo assaulted the David himself and didn't believe that it was wrong to do so, I guess I would be a little less angry than when someone else did it. But I would still think he was a dick.
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- unalone 17y ago
  Maybe I've got too much respect for creators of things. When somebody who's made something entirely on their own decides to nuke it, I don't get at all upset at them. Particularly not if it's a matter of them deciding it's not good enough. (We all know the "Good is the enemy of great"; I stand behind that philosophy a lot.) But I completely understand where you're coming from, and why you'd be upset. I still would call you immature if you spent time ranting about it while making comparisons to how much better you were, though.
  - enneff 17y ago
    "I still would call you immature if you spent time ranting about it while making comparisons to how much better you were, though." I think the message would have been better delivered by someone who isn't a colossal asshole with an overinflated sense of self-worth. There was definitely something highly inconvenient about what _why did, but my attitude toward these things is "The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away."
zedshaw 17y ago
Now, I can't for the life of me find any of your wonderfully totally original flute music. I mean, I was thinking "DAYUM! Rory's gotta have some bad ass atonal Japanese hate porn flute power ballads out there." Yet I can't find any of it on google or bing. I mean, usually bing can find the really weird shit. So lay it on my oh master of the totally original. Where's your music?
- unalone 17y ago
  Where're you getting flute music from? I haven't mentioned that here and I haven't mentioned it on my blog. You're going out of your way to troll now. Writing insults ought to be more skillful than just stringing eight or nine unrelated adjectives together sarcastically. Used to be flamewars had craft, Zed.
  - keyist 17y ago
    Dude, you profess to admiring _why and all, but you're using a thread on his 'estate' to further a personal vendetta against Zed, jumping on the first link to Zed's post with cached vitriol. You said of _why: > For all that he had a vibrant personality, his work was never about himself. Yet in your repeated attempts to have the last word you are making the thread less about _why and more about yourself. A little inconsistent perhaps.
    - unalone 17y ago
      I don't have a Zed vendetta. I haven't mentioned the guy since the last thread about him and _why. That said, I thought a criticism of Zed re: that _why post would be a valid comment, and apparently other people did too. Normally on HN, that would have been the end of the thread, because there really wasn't much more to talk about. However, Zed decided it was worth not only insulting me here but posting a link to this thread for his thousands of Twitter followers to read and downvote, so this got out of hand. I'd be happy to take this to email with Zed so we can settle. That's happened a few times with people, and I find it helps us talk things out without the peacocking that goes on when somebody thinks they're in the public eye. But Zed's decided to be obnoxious, and, much as I feel sick even being in this conversation, I don't want to let him rip me apart when he's saying things that are incorrect and immature.

by unalone 17y ago

jacoblyles 17y ago

If Michaelangelo assaulted the David himself and didn't believe that it was wrong to do so, I guess I would be a little less angry than when someone else did it. But I would still think he was a dick.

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unalone 17y ago
Maybe I've got too much respect for creators of things. When somebody who's made something entirely on their own decides to nuke it, I don't get at all upset at them. Particularly not if it's a matter of them deciding it's not good enough. (We all know the "Good is the enemy of great"; I stand behind that philosophy a lot.) But I completely understand where you're coming from, and why you'd be upset. I still would call you immature if you spent time ranting about it while making comparisons to how much better you were, though.
- enneff 17y ago
  "I still would call you immature if you spent time ranting about it while making comparisons to how much better you were, though." I think the message would have been better delivered by someone who isn't a colossal asshole with an overinflated sense of self-worth. There was definitely something highly inconvenient about what _why did, but my attitude toward these things is "The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away."

zedshaw 17y ago

Now, I can't for the life of me find any of your wonderfully totally original flute music. I mean, I was thinking "DAYUM! Rory's gotta have some bad ass atonal Japanese hate porn flute power ballads out there." Yet I can't find any of it on google or bing. I mean, usually bing can find the really weird shit. So lay it on my oh master of the totally original. Where's your music?

unalone 17y ago
Where're you getting flute music from? I haven't mentioned that here and I haven't mentioned it on my blog. You're going out of your way to troll now. Writing insults ought to be more skillful than just stringing eight or nine unrelated adjectives together sarcastically. Used to be flamewars had craft, Zed.
- keyist 17y ago
  Dude, you profess to admiring _why and all, but you're using a thread on his 'estate' to further a personal vendetta against Zed, jumping on the first link to Zed's post with cached vitriol. You said of _why: > For all that he had a vibrant personality, his work was never about himself. Yet in your repeated attempts to have the last word you are making the thread less about _why and more about yourself. A little inconsistent perhaps.
  - unalone 17y ago
    I don't have a Zed vendetta. I haven't mentioned the guy since the last thread about him and _why. That said, I thought a criticism of Zed re: that _why post would be a valid comment, and apparently other people did too. Normally on HN, that would have been the end of the thread, because there really wasn't much more to talk about. However, Zed decided it was worth not only insulting me here but posting a link to this thread for his thousands of Twitter followers to read and downvote, so this got out of hand. I'd be happy to take this to email with Zed so we can settle. That's happened a few times with people, and I find it helps us talk things out without the peacocking that goes on when somebody thinks they're in the public eye. But Zed's decided to be obnoxious, and, much as I feel sick even being in this conversation, I don't want to let him rip me apart when he's saying things that are incorrect and immature.