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> (1) Create compelling reasons for someone to not want to live in a city. For instance, allow one to work remotely. A lot of folks who work remotely prefer th

> (1) Create compelling reasons for someone to not want to live in a city. For instance, allow one to work remotely. A lot of folks who work remotely prefer the city since it gives them all the amenities that an office usually would like food (restaurants), gyms, cafes and an environment with a lot of people.

nilkn 11y ago
And there are thousands of cities in the world in which they can enjoy all those amenities. (I edited the above quote now to reflect this.)
- seiji 11y ago
  NYC is the only city in the world with a 24 hour subway system every day. Many people enjoy not having a car: especially the very poor (can't afford car anywhere), so NYC is full of very poor; and they very middle (can't afford car in NYC), so NYC is full of very middle and everybody fights for the same resources.
  - tracker1 11y ago
    It's funny, I'm currently looking for a next job, and am talking to a company in Manhattan... One of my thoughts was "damn, I'd have to get rid of my car." :-( Though, I'd absolutely hate driving in that town. The same applies to SF (made the mistake of renting a car there for a business trip, the next one Uber/Lyft was better).
  - ido 11y ago
    It might not have 24/7 subway (i think it's 24h on the weekend and 20h during the week), but I've been living in Berlin for 2 years and have yet to chance upon the situation where I didn't have transit available to get back home (neither me not my wife have a driver's license). Having good transit is really really important. But it doesn't have to be 24/7 for the vast majority of people. In the maybe once per year that I need to go somewhere in 3am on a weekday I can take the night bus or even a taxi.
    - seiji 11y ago
      Yeah, those are good times. SF sucks transit-wise because Caltrain (SF to South Bay) stops at midnight. BART stops around the same time too. Heck, in NYC many events don't even start until 10 pm. Every evening transit trip to SF (if you live in the south bay) results in end-of-day stress of trying to make the last train home if you don't have overnight accommodations. Not to mention the full South Bay route takes 90 minutes (to go 40 miles!), so you leave at midnight SF and arrive at 1:30 am San Jose.
      - ido 11y ago
        Yeah everything stopping at midnight even on the weekends would suck. I guess because of the way you wrote it I thought the literal 24h even on weekdays was your point which seemed pretty odd. I've lived n Vienna and Berlin and in both the subways go till around 1am on weekdays and 24h on weekends, iirc it's about that way in Prague too. I thought this was the type of situation you were comparing it to. Before they started running the subways all night on weekends in Vienna (which I think only started maybe 5 years ago) I would often have to take the night busses on weekend evenings, which would suck cause they only went every half an hour.
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ryanSrich 11y ago
San Francisco is not the only city in existence.
Chanel_Bunnell 11y ago
Towns do that too. Pretty much all of them.
tracker1 11y ago
That said, with remote work, you can choose any city. I'd rather live in Boise, Denver or Portland than Seattle, SF or NYC. For reference I'm in Phoenix, and I mainly stay because pay:cost-of-living is better here for developers than most cities. Most of the work is very business centered, but still plenty of options. If there was more remote work that split the difference in pay, and allowed me to work in a slightly smaller city farther north, I'd really prefer that. But the income:living ratio in most of the places with more tech jobs just isn't as good.

nilkn 11y ago

And there are thousands of cities in the world in which they can enjoy all those amenities. (I edited the above quote now to reflect this.)

seiji 11y ago
NYC is the only city in the world with a 24 hour subway system every day. Many people enjoy not having a car: especially the very poor (can't afford car anywhere), so NYC is full of very poor; and they very middle (can't afford car in NYC), so NYC is full of very middle and everybody fights for the same resources.
- tracker1 11y ago
  It's funny, I'm currently looking for a next job, and am talking to a company in Manhattan... One of my thoughts was "damn, I'd have to get rid of my car." :-( Though, I'd absolutely hate driving in that town. The same applies to SF (made the mistake of renting a car there for a business trip, the next one Uber/Lyft was better).
- ido 11y ago
  It might not have 24/7 subway (i think it's 24h on the weekend and 20h during the week), but I've been living in Berlin for 2 years and have yet to chance upon the situation where I didn't have transit available to get back home (neither me not my wife have a driver's license). Having good transit is really really important. But it doesn't have to be 24/7 for the vast majority of people. In the maybe once per year that I need to go somewhere in 3am on a weekday I can take the night bus or even a taxi.
  - seiji 11y ago
    Yeah, those are good times. SF sucks transit-wise because Caltrain (SF to South Bay) stops at midnight. BART stops around the same time too. Heck, in NYC many events don't even start until 10 pm. Every evening transit trip to SF (if you live in the south bay) results in end-of-day stress of trying to make the last train home if you don't have overnight accommodations. Not to mention the full South Bay route takes 90 minutes (to go 40 miles!), so you leave at midnight SF and arrive at 1:30 am San Jose.
    - ido 11y ago
      Yeah everything stopping at midnight even on the weekends would suck. I guess because of the way you wrote it I thought the literal 24h even on weekdays was your point which seemed pretty odd. I've lived n Vienna and Berlin and in both the subways go till around 1am on weekdays and 24h on weekends, iirc it's about that way in Prague too. I thought this was the type of situation you were comparing it to. Before they started running the subways all night on weekends in Vienna (which I think only started maybe 5 years ago) I would often have to take the night busses on weekend evenings, which would suck cause they only went every half an hour.
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ryanSrich 11y ago

San Francisco is not the only city in existence.

Chanel_Bunnell 11y ago

Towns do that too. Pretty much all of them.

tracker1 11y ago

That said, with remote work, you can choose any city. I'd rather live in Boise, Denver or Portland than Seattle, SF or NYC. For reference I'm in Phoenix, and I mainly stay because pay:cost-of-living is better here for developers than most cities. Most of the work is very business centered, but still plenty of options. If there was more remote work that split the difference in pay, and allowed me to work in a slightly smaller city farther north, I'd really prefer that. But the income:living ratio in most of the places with more tech jobs just isn't as good.