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That's what the developer gets, net. Multiply by 2.5x for what the employer actually has to pay. 72k USD will get you one senior developer for one year.

• selestify 11y ago
  72k USD per year seems quite low for even a fresh junior developer...
  • magic_beans 11y ago
    What state do you live in?! I make 20k less than that as a junior dev.
    • iolothebard 11y ago
      What state do you live in? Mississippi or Puerto Rico? 20k is far too low, you can make more than that waiting tables. Jesus 9.615/hr. I made about double that as a waiter in Oklahoma in the mid 1990s. Update your resume sir/ma'am!
      • Natsu 11y ago
        They said 20k less than 72k, in other words 52k. You won't find many programmers working for 20k/year. You can probably do better than that at McDonald's...
    • selestify 11y ago
      Seattle, Washington. Fresh out of school (with a master's), and 120k base before bonuses/stock. And I have the lowest compensation out of all my friends who graduated with me...
      • homulilly 11y ago
        72k seems pretty decent for a jr developer without a graduate degree. I started around 65k fresh out of school with a BS as did most of my friends.
        • selestify 11y ago
          How long ago was that? The undergrads I know make 100k+ base salary alone
          • yareally 11y ago
            Salary depends highly on where you live due to cost of living. Starting salaries in Seattle for example were around 30% higher last I checked when compared to much of the Midwest. If you make $80k where I am, I would be expect the same person to make around $105k in Seattle. I'd wager the person you replied to is also somewhere in the Midwest.
            • selestify 11y ago
              That's true. I am curious what sort of work developers in the Midwest usually do? Here it's most big companies, in the Bay Area it's big companies and start ups.
              • yareally 11y ago
                Same sort of development one would do anywhere from my experience. I'm not sure what you imagine when you think of the Midwest, but I live in a city with over a million people (not Chicago). I have friends that work for companies on the East and West Coast and we trade stories that seem fairly similar about our work life. Startups and large companies exist here too and aren't much different. Startups may not be as numerous, but I've worked for some and moved on past that phase to want more stability. I'm the tech lead for my team at a medium sized company that builds high demand, critical backend services. Customers include small businesses, some well known Silicon Valley companies and some established Fortune 500s. I like what I do and get to see just how well software I work on scales with customers that push it to the limit. I mostly use C# with a bit of C++ right now, but previous jobs I used Python, Java, JavaScript and PHP. VCSs have ranged from SVN, TFS to Git. The one used mostly depends on when the company was founded. Early 00s probably means SVN while the last 5 to 10 years probably means Git or TFS. Does company culture differ here? I don't think so really. Like anywhere, it depends on where and whom you work for. I work 40 hours a week on average, have a workstation that rivals my own gaming PC at home (we also had the choice of a high end laptop, but I prefer a desktop) and wear jeans/shorts/t-shirts to work (assuming I'm not working at home that day). My brother works for a company with a similar culture to mine and they have their own personal chef that serves them lunch every day. My employer and his are only about 10 to 15 years old, so that probably contributes somewhat to the cultural similarities.
      • rnovak 11y ago
        Congrats to you and your friends, but that's nowhere near the average (50th percentile) case. Out of my friends that graduated with me, in the set of {Google, Microsoft, Amazon, General Dynamics, AMD, Intel} employers, no-one, and I mean no one made above 90k starting. These people all graduated Suma Cum Laude (>3.96), with >3 years experience on average through internships. No one should ever assume their counterparts are making anywhere close to them.
        • umanwizard 11y ago
          You must only be counting base? With bonuses and RSU grants (counting only what vests the first year) Google definitely pays better than 90k for new grad software engineers.
          • selestify 11y ago
            I'm sure he is too, but we've been discussing only base salaries so far. I'm guessing total compensation might differ even more.
            • umanwizard 11y ago
              But it's silly to just count base. When I started I made around $115 my first year. Only 90 base. At my next job the difference was even more dramatic.
        • selestify 11y ago
          Holy crap quite a world of difference there then. Wow. A lot of my friends have never even been in internships and make a good amount more than me (I've been in one). My GPA was acceptable, not spectacular. I have some shitty personal projects, many of them have none.