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> I'm also noticing a conspicuous lack of any response to the actual behaviors I was referring to; you're dismissing that as behavior that someone ought to have

> I'm also noticing a conspicuous lack of any response to the actual behaviors I was referring to; you're dismissing that as behavior that someone ought to have to tolerate or go start their own project. Absolutely. Why should I judge anyone? I'm not forced to use their project. Last I checked lingerie and porn weren't illegal. If someone wants to represent themselves like that, then more power to them. Not every project is a corporate project and not all are going to come from that politically correct environment. I would no sooner tell someone that they couldn't fill a project with sexually explicit terms than I would tell a songwriter to not use sexually explicit lyrics.

JoshTriplett 11y ago
Except that in order to be more successful in the field, you do need to attend certain conferences, work with certain projects, and participate in certain communities, or you'll have a severe disadvantage compared to people who can. Which is one of many, many reasons why the tech industry as a whole has a severe diversity problem. (And even in my case, I don't particularly enjoy dealing with awful people either.) So I'm happy that behaviors like that are becoming a lot less accepted, so that FOSS as a whole is more welcoming than it used to be, and it's a lot easier to write off the much smaller subset of projects with awful communities around them. Still a long way to go, though. Nothing stops people from acting that way. It's not illegal, nor should it be. But I'm looking forward to a world where when someone tries everyone else just looks at them funny and dismisses them immediately, so that people stop trying. Which brings us full circle back to the original point: given a choice (and it is a choice) between which set of people to exclude from a community, I know which set I'd prefer. You seem to have a different preference, and you're welcome to it. I look forward to that point of view losing all credibility and respect in the industry as a whole, and an increasing number of people are working towards that goal. Have a nice day.
- exstudent2 11y ago
  I will leave you with one last thought. An increasing number of people are tired of censorship and tone policing so don't expect everyone to support your crusade.
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JoshTriplett 11y ago

Except that in order to be more successful in the field, you do need to attend certain conferences, work with certain projects, and participate in certain communities, or you'll have a severe disadvantage compared to people who can. Which is one of many, many reasons why the tech industry as a whole has a severe diversity problem. (And even in my case, I don't particularly enjoy dealing with awful people either.) So I'm happy that behaviors like that are becoming a lot less accepted, so that FOSS as a whole is more welcoming than it used to be, and it's a lot easier to write off the much smaller subset of projects with awful communities around them. Still a long way to go, though. Nothing stops people from acting that way. It's not illegal, nor should it be. But I'm looking forward to a world where when someone tries everyone else just looks at them funny and dismisses them immediately, so that people stop trying. Which brings us full circle back to the original point: given a choice (and it is a choice) between which set of people to exclude from a community, I know which set I'd prefer. You seem to have a different preference, and you're welcome to it. I look forward to that point of view losing all credibility and respect in the industry as a whole, and an increasing number of people are working towards that goal. Have a nice day.

exstudent2 11y ago
I will leave you with one last thought. An increasing number of people are tired of censorship and tone policing so don't expect everyone to support your crusade.
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