Well said, and honestly, I think this goes deeper than just CS. It's probably a shitty thing for me to argue standing here with a BA, but I don't think the vast

Well said, and honestly, I think this goes deeper than just CS. It's probably a shitty thing for me to argue standing here with a BA, but I don't think the vast majority of people earning BA's today are actually using universities and colleges for what they were designed for. We need voc-ed and technical schools to not be shameful any more. There is nothing wrong with wanting to learn how to code without wanting to learn higher level mathematics along the way. I promise you that not every electrician understands the subtly of homogeneous layers in high frequency integrated circuits. Nor do the vast majority of people actually building things with computers need to understand the draw backs to using a binary tree over a hash table. Sure, it'd be nice to be curious and want to learn more, but you don't need it to be competent.