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Some people are bad test takers. That doesn't mean they shouldn't get through college when college is equivalent to what high school used to be (a basic ticket

Some people are bad test takers. That doesn't mean they shouldn't get through college when college is equivalent to what high school used to be (a basic ticket into the workforce). I think it is perfectly valid to need more time and some quiet to be able to complete an exam (this comes from someone who is very good at taking tests, if my past school performance and current job interview performance is any indication)

mcphage 11y ago
> Some people are bad test takers. And some people are bad studiers, and some people are bad workers, and some people have trouble remembering details, and some people have trouble organizing their thoughts clearly. And so on for all sorts of other inabilities. Should they all be able to get through college? If not, what's the distinction? If so, what does it mean to pass through college?
- fleitz 11y ago
  It's almost as if the entire purpose of testing is to create a proxy for discrimination based on ability.
  - mcphage 11y ago
    What do you mean proxy?
    - fleitz 11y ago
      Testing is a substitute for measuring actual skill is what I meant.
      - mcphage 11y ago
        I was being sarcastic—testing is not a substitute for measuring actual skill, testing is the attempt to measure actual skill. Which, maybe not so great. But any better measurement would still qualify as "testing".
- cjsthompson 11y ago
  It means that you are deemed compliant enough to be a good slave that won't complain. Rites of passage where you go through hardship to "prove your worth" is a thing for retards obsessed about the good old days where "men were still men". Education should be a a science not a tradition. In Finland which has one of the best — if not the best — education system in the world there are no grades until university. Home-schooled children outperform by far those who are schooled. In an efficient education system, the goal is for as much people as possible to acquire 100% competence in a subject. An efficient education system is not a contest or a retarded rite of passage.

mcphage 11y ago

> Some people are bad test takers. And some people are bad studiers, and some people are bad workers, and some people have trouble remembering details, and some people have trouble organizing their thoughts clearly. And so on for all sorts of other inabilities. Should they all be able to get through college? If not, what's the distinction? If so, what does it mean to pass through college?

fleitz 11y ago
It's almost as if the entire purpose of testing is to create a proxy for discrimination based on ability.
- mcphage 11y ago
  What do you mean proxy?
  - fleitz 11y ago
    Testing is a substitute for measuring actual skill is what I meant.
    - mcphage 11y ago
      I was being sarcastic—testing is not a substitute for measuring actual skill, testing is the attempt to measure actual skill. Which, maybe not so great. But any better measurement would still qualify as "testing".
cjsthompson 11y ago
It means that you are deemed compliant enough to be a good slave that won't complain. Rites of passage where you go through hardship to "prove your worth" is a thing for retards obsessed about the good old days where "men were still men". Education should be a a science not a tradition. In Finland which has one of the best — if not the best — education system in the world there are no grades until university. Home-schooled children outperform by far those who are schooled. In an efficient education system, the goal is for as much people as possible to acquire 100% competence in a subject. An efficient education system is not a contest or a retarded rite of passage.