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Suicide prevention counselling should be one of the last lines of defence, not the first. Reducing stress is an overall better policy, as long as it doesn't ge

Suicide prevention counselling should be one of the last lines of defence, not the first. Reducing stress is an overall better policy, as long as it doesn't get in the way of receiving an actual education. I think that's an important conversation to have.

talmand 11y ago
I believe that the message the author was trying to give was that in his opinion the coddling of the students or counseling for almost every aspect of college life is detrimental to the educational goals of the student and their future. But some people just want to debate points that no one brought up. This is an attempt to change his message from "I think we're coddling students too much" to "I want to get rid of programs that prevent student suicide.", which is simply a ridiculous accusation. Why do so many people feel the need to redefine people's words/thoughts and dictate what they mean?
- saint_fiasco 11y ago
  Ignoring suicide, I think there is still value in reducing needless stress so students can focus on learning. My college doesn't have counselors, and I wish it had,if only to help me navigate the stupid bureaucracy that adults insist anyone should be able to navigate. Instead, I find myself more comfortable and less stressed at my actual job, so it's not just that I'm "coddled", or that I expect to be sheltered from how the real world works.
  - talmand 11y ago
    Maybe the solution is to determine what is causing the symptoms to deal with that instead of treating them with counselors for everything. If it's determined that counselors is the way to go for the root cause, then by all means let's give it a shot. Especially with colleges have nothing in place. But let's not dismiss concerns over too much. But, I agree, helping students focus more on learning is a good thing. Then again, let's not remove life lessons in the process. Such as dealing with bureaucracy.
    - saint_fiasco 11y ago
      Not remove. Add. Think positive. With counselors, and puppies, and trigger warnings and all that silliness, college can be more demanding than it used to be without making people spend what should be their prime years in a state of chronic stress. Consider what college students of previous generations did to unwind. Was that really better?

talmand 11y ago

I believe that the message the author was trying to give was that in his opinion the coddling of the students or counseling for almost every aspect of college life is detrimental to the educational goals of the student and their future. But some people just want to debate points that no one brought up. This is an attempt to change his message from "I think we're coddling students too much" to "I want to get rid of programs that prevent student suicide.", which is simply a ridiculous accusation. Why do so many people feel the need to redefine people's words/thoughts and dictate what they mean?

saint_fiasco 11y ago
Ignoring suicide, I think there is still value in reducing needless stress so students can focus on learning. My college doesn't have counselors, and I wish it had,if only to help me navigate the stupid bureaucracy that adults insist anyone should be able to navigate. Instead, I find myself more comfortable and less stressed at my actual job, so it's not just that I'm "coddled", or that I expect to be sheltered from how the real world works.
- talmand 11y ago
  Maybe the solution is to determine what is causing the symptoms to deal with that instead of treating them with counselors for everything. If it's determined that counselors is the way to go for the root cause, then by all means let's give it a shot. Especially with colleges have nothing in place. But let's not dismiss concerns over too much. But, I agree, helping students focus more on learning is a good thing. Then again, let's not remove life lessons in the process. Such as dealing with bureaucracy.
  - saint_fiasco 11y ago
    Not remove. Add. Think positive. With counselors, and puppies, and trigger warnings and all that silliness, college can be more demanding than it used to be without making people spend what should be their prime years in a state of chronic stress. Consider what college students of previous generations did to unwind. Was that really better?