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I don't know if there's any solution or if privacy is just a remnant of the past. This always irritates me when I see it (not specific to you). It's not a

I don't know if there's any solution or if privacy is just a remnant of the past. This always irritates me when I see it (not specific to you). It's not a remnant of the past and there is of course a solution! The solution is trading some of the conveniences you think you need. The solution is for once trying something other than what you're used to. The reason why you (and everyone else who thinks this way) feel there's no solution is because in your world, giving up a smart-phone or even using a non-Windows/Google/Apple device is a non-starter. There are new phones coming out like Ubuntu's and Mozilla's that, while not perfect, absolutely are better alternatives. If you keep digging there are projects like Neo900 that respect privacy in totality. You could use a feature phone, or an old n900, or any bevy of alternatives but the price they come with is convenience :)

ptx 11y ago
> There are new phones coming out like Ubuntu's and Mozilla's that, while not perfect, absolutely are better alternatives. The last time I checked, Mozilla's Firefox OS phones appeared to be sending all home screen search queries to some unknown company in Israel, with no clear way to disable it.
- mikegioia 11y ago
  Where did you hear that? I'm unaware and couldn't find anything about it.
  - ptx 11y ago
    It's an official feature: https://youtu.be/H9zwf0VMVDI https://youtu.be/H9zwf0VMVDI https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2012/11/28/mozilla-invests-in-everything-me/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2012/11/28/mozilla-invests-in-... http://everything.me/about/ http://everything.me/about/
    - mikegioia 11y ago
      I mean, you linked a press release from 2012 for a partnership with Everything.me, and an Indian Mozilla video from 2014 about adaptive search which doesn't mention anything about that. I'm not saying FF is innocent in data-sharing, but at this point you're spreading FUD around. To make a claim like that, you need something way more definitive!
      - ptx 11y ago
        The misfeature demonstrated (adaptive app search) is implemented by sending the query to the company mentioned. It's not a secret. See this article for example: http://www.cnet.com/news/mozilla-revamping-firefox-oss-app-launcher/ http://www.cnet.com/news/mozilla-revamping-firefox-oss-app-l... Edit: You're right that it's not mentioned in the video. That's part of the problem; it's obviously something people care about and would like to be informed of. Here is one bug report discussing it - and a "fix" involving stopping the queries in some very specific cases: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1082787 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1082787 Or how about this direct quote[1] from Mozilla's CTO (where in "e.me" refers to Everything.Me in context): "So we send an XHR request for each letter to Google on Desktop (search box), and XHR requests to e.me on Firefox OS." [1] https://lists.mozilla.org/pipermail/dev-platform/2014-October/007368.html https://lists.mozilla.org/pipermail/dev-platform/2014-Octobe...
couchand 11y ago
Shout out for the N900. I've said for years I'd pay handily for an updated model. Your comment reminded me to check back on the Neo900 project, and it's still chugging along. Looks like they've started accepting pre-orders on the site.
- z3t4 11y ago
  Too bad Microsoft bought it, and shut it down though :/
  - couchand 11y ago
    [citation needed]
    - z3t4 11y ago
      I currently own a N9 mobile phone, witch is the successor of N900. I had a windows phone before that. And the N9 is superior to Windows phone in all aspects. When Microsoft bought the company (Nokia) they shut down all support for the phone, including SDK, app store, music store, maps, roads and software updates.
      - couchand 11y ago
        So, just to clarify, your first 'it' meant Nokia, and the second 'it' was the N9 phone. That's not what I was referring to, though. You and Nokia may have seen the N9 as the successor to the N900, but I certainly didn't, and I suspect the Neo900 team didn't, either.
        z3t4 11y ago
        > You could use a feature phone, or an old n900 I'm pretty sure Microsoft killed that one too. Microsoft's strategy is to literally kill the competitors. They won't afford buying Google or Apple though :P
- mikegioia 11y ago
Karunamon 11y ago
They're non-starters because the alternatives do not fit the users needs - it's pretty simple actually. It's not as simple as just throwing out Windows and Office and switching to Mint and Libreoffice.

ptx 11y ago

> There are new phones coming out like Ubuntu's and Mozilla's that, while not perfect, absolutely are better alternatives. The last time I checked, Mozilla's Firefox OS phones appeared to be sending all home screen search queries to some unknown company in Israel, with no clear way to disable it.

mikegioia 11y ago
Where did you hear that? I'm unaware and couldn't find anything about it.
- ptx 11y ago
  It's an official feature: https://youtu.be/H9zwf0VMVDI https://youtu.be/H9zwf0VMVDI https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2012/11/28/mozilla-invests-in-everything-me/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2012/11/28/mozilla-invests-in-... http://everything.me/about/ http://everything.me/about/
  - mikegioia 11y ago
    I mean, you linked a press release from 2012 for a partnership with Everything.me, and an Indian Mozilla video from 2014 about adaptive search which doesn't mention anything about that. I'm not saying FF is innocent in data-sharing, but at this point you're spreading FUD around. To make a claim like that, you need something way more definitive!
    - ptx 11y ago
      The misfeature demonstrated (adaptive app search) is implemented by sending the query to the company mentioned. It's not a secret. See this article for example: http://www.cnet.com/news/mozilla-revamping-firefox-oss-app-launcher/ http://www.cnet.com/news/mozilla-revamping-firefox-oss-app-l... Edit: You're right that it's not mentioned in the video. That's part of the problem; it's obviously something people care about and would like to be informed of. Here is one bug report discussing it - and a "fix" involving stopping the queries in some very specific cases: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1082787 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1082787 Or how about this direct quote[1] from Mozilla's CTO (where in "e.me" refers to Everything.Me in context): "So we send an XHR request for each letter to Google on Desktop (search box), and XHR requests to e.me on Firefox OS." [1] https://lists.mozilla.org/pipermail/dev-platform/2014-October/007368.html https://lists.mozilla.org/pipermail/dev-platform/2014-Octobe...

couchand 11y ago

Shout out for the N900. I've said for years I'd pay handily for an updated model. Your comment reminded me to check back on the Neo900 project, and it's still chugging along. Looks like they've started accepting pre-orders on the site.

z3t4 11y ago
Too bad Microsoft bought it, and shut it down though :/
- couchand 11y ago
  [citation needed]
  - z3t4 11y ago
    I currently own a N9 mobile phone, witch is the successor of N900. I had a windows phone before that. And the N9 is superior to Windows phone in all aspects. When Microsoft bought the company (Nokia) they shut down all support for the phone, including SDK, app store, music store, maps, roads and software updates.
    - couchand 11y ago
      So, just to clarify, your first 'it' meant Nokia, and the second 'it' was the N9 phone. That's not what I was referring to, though. You and Nokia may have seen the N9 as the successor to the N900, but I certainly didn't, and I suspect the Neo900 team didn't, either.
      - z3t4 11y ago
        > You could use a feature phone, or an old n900 I'm pretty sure Microsoft killed that one too. Microsoft's strategy is to literally kill the competitors. They won't afford buying Google or Apple though :P
mikegioia 11y ago

Karunamon 11y ago

They're non-starters because the alternatives do not fit the users needs - it's pretty simple actually. It's not as simple as just throwing out Windows and Office and switching to Mint and Libreoffice.