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NASA Astronauts Eat Space-Grown Food

54 points by jimschley 11y ago

XorNot 11y ago
I wonder what the expense of scaling this would be. Could you blow up a large inflatable greenhouse on the side of the station, for example, to get more growing area. Could you scale to reduce oxygen-demand this way?
- RLN 11y ago
  My first thought in the case of an inflatable greenhouse is that any small piece of debris is going to go straight through it. Not really a very knowledgeable area for me though.
  - TeMPOraL 11y ago
    Maybe we could use similar techniques we use for car tires to auto-close holes in them? Like two layers of outer surface and some chemical in between that would react with the air that's rushing out and seal off the hole? I don't know the details about such technologies, but it seems to me that inflatables should be much easier to make self-fixing than hard structures.
    - hanniabu 11y ago
      The layers would have to be transparent, which greatly increases the difficulty of the challenge. Unless, of course, the plants were grown using artificial light rather than natural light. In that case you wouldn't need a greenhouse at all, but instead a wall of solar panels to power the added utility demand.
    - icebraining 11y ago
      NASA has explored inflatable modules; they used a series of outer layers to reduce the energy of the debris, plus an inner layer made out of Kevlar. http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/history/station/transhab/ http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/history/station/transhab/
    - A_Beer_Clinked 11y ago
      In the Ben Bova Mars series they have strategically positioned piles of patches that get sucked up and stuck in the holes. Maybe you could accomplish something similar with a middle layer that was oversized and stuffed in between the outer edges...
  - Symmetry 11y ago
    Inflatable habitats are certainly a thing[1] and there'll be one attached to the side of the ISS soon[2]. However you need a bunch of layers of touch material to make a spaceworthy container that won't get punctured by a meteorite and that means light doesn't get let in so you need to light them. Shifting the spectrum of the light to something that chlorophyll absorbs best might make up for the solar panel to LED inefficiency somewhat. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigelow_Aerospace https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigelow_Aerospace [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigelow_Expandable_Activity_Module https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigelow_Expandable_Activity_Mo...
- imglorp 11y ago
  Are there any nutritious vegetables that can grow at high altitudes? You could keep the greenhouse at a lower pressure.
verytrivial 11y ago
This is an interesting from a protocol point of view, but I would like to see something more useful than leaf vegetable -- I imagine months of whatever nutrients this lettuce provides could be supplied by a handful of pills. What about actually calories? I guess with leaf you eat the whole thing, but ... it just feels a bit .. gimicky.
- pjc50 11y ago
  Presumably it was chosen for ease of growing. If you can grow lettuce, you can move onto growing rice/potatoes/corn for calories, although all of those have larger space/water requirements and maybe stalk issues in microgravity.(+) It's rewarding to the astronauts to be able to eat fresh homegrown food rather than years of mush and pills on the proposed Mars trip. I also suspect that, as on earth, it's easier to pack calories into your diet (especially sugar) than a full range of nutrients, some of which decay in air or storage. (+) One of the great advantages of hybrid wheat was solving the problem that bigger ears of wheat snapped off the stalk. In microgravity this would no longer be a problem ..
chrisu 11y ago
Original Source: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/news/meals_ready_to_eat http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/news/meal...
ourmandave 11y ago
The quote from the radio story on NPR was: "That's one small bite for a man, one giant leaf for mankind."
pvaldes 11y ago
A minute of silence for the first spatial member of the plantae kingdom killed so many miles far away from home in such horrible lab accident. "Ground control to major Tomato" "Ground control to major Tomato" "Absorb your pellets and put your helmet on..." We'll miss you so much, little Latisha 'Redleaf' Stemstrong.
- knodi123 11y ago
  From the aptly named https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plants_in_space https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plants_in_space "The first organisms in space were "specially developed strains of seeds" launched to 134 km on July 9, 1946 on a U.S. launched V-2 rocket. These samples were not recovered."

54 points by jimschley 11y ago

I wonder what the expense of scaling this would be. Could you blow up a large inflatable greenhouse on the side of the station, for example, to get more growing area. Could you scale to reduce oxygen-demand this way?

RLN 11y ago
My first thought in the case of an inflatable greenhouse is that any small piece of debris is going to go straight through it. Not really a very knowledgeable area for me though.
- TeMPOraL 11y ago
  Maybe we could use similar techniques we use for car tires to auto-close holes in them? Like two layers of outer surface and some chemical in between that would react with the air that's rushing out and seal off the hole? I don't know the details about such technologies, but it seems to me that inflatables should be much easier to make self-fixing than hard structures.
  - hanniabu 11y ago
    The layers would have to be transparent, which greatly increases the difficulty of the challenge. Unless, of course, the plants were grown using artificial light rather than natural light. In that case you wouldn't need a greenhouse at all, but instead a wall of solar panels to power the added utility demand.
  - icebraining 11y ago
    NASA has explored inflatable modules; they used a series of outer layers to reduce the energy of the debris, plus an inner layer made out of Kevlar. http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/history/station/transhab/ http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/history/station/transhab/
  - A_Beer_Clinked 11y ago
    In the Ben Bova Mars series they have strategically positioned piles of patches that get sucked up and stuck in the holes. Maybe you could accomplish something similar with a middle layer that was oversized and stuffed in between the outer edges...
- Symmetry 11y ago
  Inflatable habitats are certainly a thing[1] and there'll be one attached to the side of the ISS soon[2]. However you need a bunch of layers of touch material to make a spaceworthy container that won't get punctured by a meteorite and that means light doesn't get let in so you need to light them. Shifting the spectrum of the light to something that chlorophyll absorbs best might make up for the solar panel to LED inefficiency somewhat. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigelow_Aerospace https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigelow_Aerospace [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigelow_Expandable_Activity_Module https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigelow_Expandable_Activity_Mo...
imglorp 11y ago
Are there any nutritious vegetables that can grow at high altitudes? You could keep the greenhouse at a lower pressure.

verytrivial 11y ago

This is an interesting from a protocol point of view, but I would like to see something more useful than leaf vegetable -- I imagine months of whatever nutrients this lettuce provides could be supplied by a handful of pills. What about actually calories? I guess with leaf you eat the whole thing, but ... it just feels a bit .. gimicky.

pjc50 11y ago
Presumably it was chosen for ease of growing. If you can grow lettuce, you can move onto growing rice/potatoes/corn for calories, although all of those have larger space/water requirements and maybe stalk issues in microgravity.(+) It's rewarding to the astronauts to be able to eat fresh homegrown food rather than years of mush and pills on the proposed Mars trip. I also suspect that, as on earth, it's easier to pack calories into your diet (especially sugar) than a full range of nutrients, some of which decay in air or storage. (+) One of the great advantages of hybrid wheat was solving the problem that bigger ears of wheat snapped off the stalk. In microgravity this would no longer be a problem ..

chrisu 11y ago

Original Source: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/news/meals_ready_to_eat http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/news/meal...

ourmandave 11y ago

The quote from the radio story on NPR was: "That's one small bite for a man, one giant leaf for mankind."

pvaldes 11y ago

A minute of silence for the first spatial member of the plantae kingdom killed so many miles far away from home in such horrible lab accident. "Ground control to major Tomato" "Ground control to major Tomato" "Absorb your pellets and put your helmet on..." We'll miss you so much, little Latisha 'Redleaf' Stemstrong.

knodi123 11y ago
From the aptly named https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plants_in_space https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plants_in_space "The first organisms in space were "specially developed strains of seeds" launched to 134 km on July 9, 1946 on a U.S. launched V-2 rocket. These samples were not recovered."