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Look, you can construct whatever narrative you want about power, people and the ebb and flow of capital, but it's pointless. People like nice things. There I s

by roneesh 11y ago

Look, you can construct whatever narrative you want about power, people and the ebb and flow of capital, but it's pointless. People like nice things. There I said it. Most people like nice cedar lined floors, expensive drinks and well cut clothes. And when you have those things, it's marvelous how quickly your disdain for the 'institution' evaporates. Most of us aren't really hackers in that nostalgic sense. We're normal people, yuppies, kids, nerds, dorks, that one dude really into Aphex Twin in your office (everyone has one). We just happen to be good with computers.

LukeWalsh 11y ago
I don't think this is a fair generalization. It might be correct to say 'many people think they want expensive things'. I for one think you can keep your cedar floors and fancy wine. Maybe I'm just young but I really don't want that at all.
Mikushi 11y ago
>People like nice things. There I said it. Most people like nice cedar lined floors, expensive drinks and well cut clothes. And when you have those things, it's marvelous how quickly your disdain for the 'institution' evaporates. People are made to want nice thing, big difference. It's the result of the exploitation of a natural need (fear) by corporations and the 'institution' through modern advertising and propaganda. The fact that the disdain reduces/disappears for some is not of any credit to their acceptance of the 'institution', it just shows it works as intended (generating individuals that will not question).
- mwfunk 11y ago
  Or they have their own minds, which occasionally decide to do things you don't approve of. You're just as much a product of the media you consume and the ideals impressed upon you by friends and family as anyone else. It is much more invigorating to feel like one knows the truth and everyone else is brainwashed though.
  - Mikushi 11y ago
    You're putting words in my mouth, I'm very well aware of the fact that I'm the product of my experience. Though what you can't, and haven't, refute is that our consumerist society is based around advertising and manipulation techniques. The crux of advertising is "How do we get the consumer to buy product X?", and I don't think I need to tell you to what length companies go to advertise their product, regardless of their real nature. I do not pretend to hold the truth,but I do hold an opinion based on my own experience (I work in advertising, ironic) and I stand by it as I've yet to be convinced of the contrary (and trust me, I'm looking for every chance to be proven wrong). >Or they have their own minds You are entirely too certain of this statement. Research/writings dating back to the late 1800' dive into the subject (and we still are) of the human mind, how it works, how and if it can be manipulated. Many of the advances of those days in phychology and neuroscience have been used as foundations of the advertising industry. See propaganda history as well since it's just another -not very liked- name for advertisement.
Devthrowaway80 11y ago
I read this comment while wearing an Aphex Twin shirt in the office. :(
- roneesh 11y ago
  For your honesty, I would upvote this a hundred times if I could.

by roneesh 11y ago

LukeWalsh 11y ago

I don't think this is a fair generalization. It might be correct to say 'many people think they want expensive things'. I for one think you can keep your cedar floors and fancy wine. Maybe I'm just young but I really don't want that at all.

Mikushi 11y ago

>People like nice things. There I said it. Most people like nice cedar lined floors, expensive drinks and well cut clothes. And when you have those things, it's marvelous how quickly your disdain for the 'institution' evaporates. People are made to want nice thing, big difference. It's the result of the exploitation of a natural need (fear) by corporations and the 'institution' through modern advertising and propaganda. The fact that the disdain reduces/disappears for some is not of any credit to their acceptance of the 'institution', it just shows it works as intended (generating individuals that will not question).

mwfunk 11y ago
Or they have their own minds, which occasionally decide to do things you don't approve of. You're just as much a product of the media you consume and the ideals impressed upon you by friends and family as anyone else. It is much more invigorating to feel like one knows the truth and everyone else is brainwashed though.
- Mikushi 11y ago
  You're putting words in my mouth, I'm very well aware of the fact that I'm the product of my experience. Though what you can't, and haven't, refute is that our consumerist society is based around advertising and manipulation techniques. The crux of advertising is "How do we get the consumer to buy product X?", and I don't think I need to tell you to what length companies go to advertise their product, regardless of their real nature. I do not pretend to hold the truth,but I do hold an opinion based on my own experience (I work in advertising, ironic) and I stand by it as I've yet to be convinced of the contrary (and trust me, I'm looking for every chance to be proven wrong). >Or they have their own minds You are entirely too certain of this statement. Research/writings dating back to the late 1800' dive into the subject (and we still are) of the human mind, how it works, how and if it can be manipulated. Many of the advances of those days in phychology and neuroscience have been used as foundations of the advertising industry. See propaganda history as well since it's just another -not very liked- name for advertisement.

Devthrowaway80 11y ago

I read this comment while wearing an Aphex Twin shirt in the office. :(

roneesh 11y ago
For your honesty, I would upvote this a hundred times if I could.