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> what about not serving the main content for ad block users? Some porn sites have started to do that. Well it's not like there is only 1 porn site on the plan

by aikah 11y ago

> what about not serving the main content for ad block users? Some porn sites have started to do that. Well it's not like there is only 1 porn site on the planet... There lies the issue with that method. Unless every content provider does that it is not going to work. And it's also a cat and mouse game just like piracy. The technology will always be ahead of whatever scheme they use to block content. As a musician, I get somehow a taste of revenge from all that crowd that is freaking out, the same crowd told us to "adapt or die" 10 years ago. Well they now need to adapt or die, because ad revenue will not be a viable business model 3 years from now...

davidgerard 11y ago
Publishers have the same problem musicians do: it's (a) ridiculously easy to publish now (text or music), (b) you're literally competing with every other publisher/musician in the entire world. There's a larger consumer pie, but a ridiculously larger producer pie. http://rocknerd.co.uk/2013/09/13/culture-is-not-about-aesthetics-punk-rock-is-now-enforced-by-law/ http://rocknerd.co.uk/2013/09/13/culture-is-not-about-aesthe...
- aikah 11y ago
  > There's a larger consumer pie, but a ridiculously larger producer pie No it's just that people don't want to pay for stuff on the internet, period. This is valid for all digital goods, music,books,movies,news and co. Whether there is competition or not it doesn't matter. > it's (a) ridiculously easy to publish now (text or music), producing =/= publishing A published crap will still be crap. Producing something good takes effort and it's valid for all digital goods including the press. And since nobody's willing to pay for that work, more and more crap get published,which makes people want to buy less and less.
  - davidgerard 11y ago
    > No it's just that people don't want to pay for stuff on the internet, period. This is valid for all digital goods, music,books,movies,news and co. Whether there is competition or not it doesn't matter. Hence why iTunes was a failure, let alone Netflix? Make it easy and the customers will come. (I was actually surprised that iTunes worked, and people were willing to pay as long as it was sufficiently convenient.) Just not enough for the massively greater creator pool, as talentless bozos like me can put music out there too.
    - aikah 11y ago
      iTunes was a success for Apple sure, not for artists. And if Apple wants to move to a Spotify buisness model there is a reason for that. As for Netflix it's only really successful in the US. > Make it easy and the customers will come. So why aint you rich already ? smart guy.
      - redblacktree 11y ago
        > So why aint you rich already ? smart guy. Downvote for facile argument and unnecessary insult.
    - throwaway7767 11y ago
      Exactly. I spend way more on digital media than I did ten years ago. Games on GOG especially, some on steam (if there's no DRM-free version), digital music downloads from bandcamp, direct from artists and in some cases through resellers. There's nothing about being on the internet that makes people not want to spend money. Some people are just cheapskates and will never buy your stuff and some people don't have economic resources to do so (for example students, etc). Chasing these people will just eat up your time. Focus on the paying customers.
CSMastermind 11y ago
Hulu basically blocks it's main content if you use an ad blocker.
- dhimes 11y ago
  Is there a way to mask the fact that you are using one?
  - CSMastermind 11y ago
    I'm not actually sure who they check for it. I assume they have some JavaScript running on the page that looks to see if the resource was actually loaded? I just turned adblock off for that one site because I don't care enough and the ads aren't that bad.
dwild 11y ago
> Well it's not like there is only 1 porn site on the planet... There lies the issue with that method. How is that an issue? They get literally no revenue from theses users. I get there's some sort of worth of mouth marketing from theses users... but usually is the same with adblock so essentially it just mean more user that doesn't worth anything.

by aikah 11y ago

davidgerard 11y ago

Publishers have the same problem musicians do: it's (a) ridiculously easy to publish now (text or music), (b) you're literally competing with every other publisher/musician in the entire world. There's a larger consumer pie, but a ridiculously larger producer pie. http://rocknerd.co.uk/2013/09/13/culture-is-not-about-aesthetics-punk-rock-is-now-enforced-by-law/ http://rocknerd.co.uk/2013/09/13/culture-is-not-about-aesthe...

aikah 11y ago
> There's a larger consumer pie, but a ridiculously larger producer pie No it's just that people don't want to pay for stuff on the internet, period. This is valid for all digital goods, music,books,movies,news and co. Whether there is competition or not it doesn't matter. > it's (a) ridiculously easy to publish now (text or music), producing =/= publishing A published crap will still be crap. Producing something good takes effort and it's valid for all digital goods including the press. And since nobody's willing to pay for that work, more and more crap get published,which makes people want to buy less and less.
- davidgerard 11y ago
  > No it's just that people don't want to pay for stuff on the internet, period. This is valid for all digital goods, music,books,movies,news and co. Whether there is competition or not it doesn't matter. Hence why iTunes was a failure, let alone Netflix? Make it easy and the customers will come. (I was actually surprised that iTunes worked, and people were willing to pay as long as it was sufficiently convenient.) Just not enough for the massively greater creator pool, as talentless bozos like me can put music out there too.
  - aikah 11y ago
    iTunes was a success for Apple sure, not for artists. And if Apple wants to move to a Spotify buisness model there is a reason for that. As for Netflix it's only really successful in the US. > Make it easy and the customers will come. So why aint you rich already ? smart guy.
    - redblacktree 11y ago
      > So why aint you rich already ? smart guy. Downvote for facile argument and unnecessary insult.
  - throwaway7767 11y ago
    Exactly. I spend way more on digital media than I did ten years ago. Games on GOG especially, some on steam (if there's no DRM-free version), digital music downloads from bandcamp, direct from artists and in some cases through resellers. There's nothing about being on the internet that makes people not want to spend money. Some people are just cheapskates and will never buy your stuff and some people don't have economic resources to do so (for example students, etc). Chasing these people will just eat up your time. Focus on the paying customers.

CSMastermind 11y ago

Hulu basically blocks it's main content if you use an ad blocker.

dhimes 11y ago
Is there a way to mask the fact that you are using one?
- CSMastermind 11y ago
  I'm not actually sure who they check for it. I assume they have some JavaScript running on the page that looks to see if the resource was actually loaded? I just turned adblock off for that one site because I don't care enough and the ads aren't that bad.

dwild 11y ago

> Well it's not like there is only 1 porn site on the planet... There lies the issue with that method. How is that an issue? They get literally no revenue from theses users. I get there's some sort of worth of mouth marketing from theses users... but usually is the same with adblock so essentially it just mean more user that doesn't worth anything.