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Seriously, this is the most helpful comment on here. OP, I understand the psychological pull of America, and perhaps it is the first Western country you have vi

Seriously, this is the most helpful comment on here. OP, I understand the psychological pull of America, and perhaps it is the first Western country you have visited, but it is not worth it to work illegally (as you are proposing, even if no money changes hands) in America. You may improve your life temporarily but it will all come crashing down one day when the immigration authorities catch up to you. You will be deported and banned from re-entering the US. There are many developed countries where someone with your skills can obtain a temporary work visa easily. You can live and work freely and legally, get on your feet financially and maybe attend university there to help you get into the US legally in the future. Maybe it will help if you tell us where your citizenship is and we can help you with suggestions of other developed countries that will allow you to come for a 1-2 year temporary work visa.

zkhalique 11y ago
I concur. There are in fact good reasons to get a permanent status in those countries, such as for passports and travel purposes. http://flagtheory.com/ http://flagtheory.com/
crimsonalucard 11y ago
Err this is not true. There are so many illegal immigrants in America that deportation is unlikely. You'd have to do something pretty bad to get deported.
- comrade1 11y ago
  Or you could just be living a normal life: http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2011/may/07/experience-i-was-deported http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2011/may/07/experien...
  - jhhn 11y ago
    This history sounds weird for me as he was in a relationship for 5 years and haven't even tried to marry with the girl to fix his status. The only safe way to stay in US is by getting married, what give to the skilled workers the same level of opportunity given to illegals. An immigration policy that encourages the fraud.
- eigenvector 11y ago
  Those millions of illegal immigrants are living on the margins of society in order to avoid the authorities. They are unable to get well-paying work, they are at the mercy of employers who can rat them out to the INS at any time if they complain about poor labour conditions, they cannot get health insurance, they cannot get mortgages or college loans for their kids. You can't hide like this while working in the tech industry. Do you know of many illegal immigrants working at Google?
  - crimsonalucard 11y ago
    Also not fully true. Not working at google doesn't mean you live in the margins of society. It's possible to have a pretty okay life as an illegal immigrant here in the united states.. It's also possible to have a bad life as well... you def won't have a job at google but many times whatever you can get is still a better life than what some people get in their native country...
  - sbilstein 11y ago
    Huh? I knew many illegal immigrants growing up with professional parents and comfortable middle class lives...immigration is more varied than the experience you see on TV although admittedly many immigrants are poor. I have also had various family members overstay visas for very long periods of time and they weren't dirt poor. On the other hand, this kind of hiding in plain sight is hell when kids turn 18 and can't attend a university. That's the most sad part of the existence and a big reason for support of the DREAM act.
  - simplyluke 11y ago
    Pretty high up at Goldman Sachs: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-25/how-an-undocumented-immigrant-from-mexico-became-a-star-at-goldman-sachs http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-25/how-an-und... I know a large number of people in the tech industry with questionable immigration status.
- binarysolo 11y ago
  Counterpoint with a few points of anecdata: 2 good friends, 1 Stanford CS, the other Stanford Econ (minor CS), both got kicked out of the US -- one due to an H1B issue, the other because he visited home in Uzbekistan and didn't get let back in.
  - crimsonalucard 11y ago
    Was he forced or escorted out? More like he was told to leave. He could prob stay as an illegal if he wanted to.
    - jhhn 11y ago
      Well educated as they are, skilled people usually don't prefer to live illegally. And that's why you will most likely see ex-illegals and unskilled people receiving green cards or citizenship in US.
      - crimsonalucard 11y ago
        Sure but thats not the point. My point is that a forced deportation is rare. Please read the thread before voting me down or commenting, thanks.
        jhhn 11y ago
        Do you mean being arrested? Because having your permission to stay/work revoked with a given time to leave the country looks like being deported for me. After that, even a touristic visa will be harder to obtain again. Please, don't get offended. I'm not a heavy user here and I don't have permission to downvote posts.
        crimsonalucard 11y ago
        Deportation as i understand it is when you are forced out of the country like an eviction. https://www.google.com/search?q=deportation&espv=2&biw=1600&bih=864&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAmoVChMIv6Kez56gxwIVxzWICh2f6ges&dpr=0.9 https://www.google.com/search?q=deportation&espv=2&biw=1600&...
kisna72 11y ago
I agree. It is definitely better to move to a different country. Perhaps Canada, or some country in Europe? Australia has lax immigration requirements as well.
- kweks 11y ago
  Not sure where you heard this, but Australia's immigration policy is .. agressive .. at best. It's a points based system, which is punitive of age and education. 30 years is the cut off for the 'easy', one year, restricted 'working holiday' visa that you may have been thinking of. For regular immigration, you'll need a working visa, which requires your hiring company to handle the paperwork. Likewise, if you're trying to immigrate without an already found job, with no college degree, the OP will find the point system probably weighing heavily against him. One of the most flexible countries at the moment is Spain. The weather is great, the food is great, and it's a fun country.
  - pmelendez 11y ago
    > It's a points based system, which is punitive of age and education. Pretty much the same than Canada but still way less restricting than USA. >One of the most flexible countries at the moment is Spain. The weather is great, the food is great, and it's a fun country. Spain has still a pretty significant unemployment rate, also (this may vary depending of the region and where are you originally from) some people are not very polite with some immigrant even if they are Spaniard-decendent (anecdotical experience from some friends living over there)
    - kweks 11y ago
      That's actually one of the reasons they've been pushing the new (2013, very new in terms of how quickly most visa situations evolve..) entrepreneur visa(s) in spain. There's two types: one gives you 1 year residency (can be extended, of course) - application is decided within 10 days. Another gives you 2 years, decision in 20 days. Entry requirements are low. It's worth checking out. In 10 days, you could be in Spain. There are many decent tech companies hiring as well. http://foundersgrid.com/spain-entrepreneur-visa http://foundersgrid.com/spain-entrepreneur-visa
rancur 11y ago
> deported in capitalist America, we ALSO deport intelligent workers
- nnoitra 11y ago
  Not so intelligent if you risk everything on risking eventual deportation it seems.

zkhalique 11y ago

I concur. There are in fact good reasons to get a permanent status in those countries, such as for passports and travel purposes. http://flagtheory.com/ http://flagtheory.com/

crimsonalucard 11y ago

Err this is not true. There are so many illegal immigrants in America that deportation is unlikely. You'd have to do something pretty bad to get deported.

comrade1 11y ago
Or you could just be living a normal life: http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2011/may/07/experience-i-was-deported http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2011/may/07/experien...
- jhhn 11y ago
  This history sounds weird for me as he was in a relationship for 5 years and haven't even tried to marry with the girl to fix his status. The only safe way to stay in US is by getting married, what give to the skilled workers the same level of opportunity given to illegals. An immigration policy that encourages the fraud.
eigenvector 11y ago
Those millions of illegal immigrants are living on the margins of society in order to avoid the authorities. They are unable to get well-paying work, they are at the mercy of employers who can rat them out to the INS at any time if they complain about poor labour conditions, they cannot get health insurance, they cannot get mortgages or college loans for their kids. You can't hide like this while working in the tech industry. Do you know of many illegal immigrants working at Google?
- crimsonalucard 11y ago
  Also not fully true. Not working at google doesn't mean you live in the margins of society. It's possible to have a pretty okay life as an illegal immigrant here in the united states.. It's also possible to have a bad life as well... you def won't have a job at google but many times whatever you can get is still a better life than what some people get in their native country...
- sbilstein 11y ago
  Huh? I knew many illegal immigrants growing up with professional parents and comfortable middle class lives...immigration is more varied than the experience you see on TV although admittedly many immigrants are poor. I have also had various family members overstay visas for very long periods of time and they weren't dirt poor. On the other hand, this kind of hiding in plain sight is hell when kids turn 18 and can't attend a university. That's the most sad part of the existence and a big reason for support of the DREAM act.
- simplyluke 11y ago
  Pretty high up at Goldman Sachs: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-25/how-an-undocumented-immigrant-from-mexico-became-a-star-at-goldman-sachs http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-25/how-an-und... I know a large number of people in the tech industry with questionable immigration status.
binarysolo 11y ago
Counterpoint with a few points of anecdata: 2 good friends, 1 Stanford CS, the other Stanford Econ (minor CS), both got kicked out of the US -- one due to an H1B issue, the other because he visited home in Uzbekistan and didn't get let back in.
- crimsonalucard 11y ago
  Was he forced or escorted out? More like he was told to leave. He could prob stay as an illegal if he wanted to.
  - jhhn 11y ago
    Well educated as they are, skilled people usually don't prefer to live illegally. And that's why you will most likely see ex-illegals and unskilled people receiving green cards or citizenship in US.
    - crimsonalucard 11y ago
      Sure but thats not the point. My point is that a forced deportation is rare. Please read the thread before voting me down or commenting, thanks.
      - jhhn 11y ago
        Do you mean being arrested? Because having your permission to stay/work revoked with a given time to leave the country looks like being deported for me. After that, even a touristic visa will be harder to obtain again. Please, don't get offended. I'm not a heavy user here and I don't have permission to downvote posts.
        crimsonalucard 11y ago
        Deportation as i understand it is when you are forced out of the country like an eviction. https://www.google.com/search?q=deportation&espv=2&biw=1600&bih=864&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAmoVChMIv6Kez56gxwIVxzWICh2f6ges&dpr=0.9 https://www.google.com/search?q=deportation&espv=2&biw=1600&...

kisna72 11y ago

I agree. It is definitely better to move to a different country. Perhaps Canada, or some country in Europe? Australia has lax immigration requirements as well.

kweks 11y ago
Not sure where you heard this, but Australia's immigration policy is .. agressive .. at best. It's a points based system, which is punitive of age and education. 30 years is the cut off for the 'easy', one year, restricted 'working holiday' visa that you may have been thinking of. For regular immigration, you'll need a working visa, which requires your hiring company to handle the paperwork. Likewise, if you're trying to immigrate without an already found job, with no college degree, the OP will find the point system probably weighing heavily against him. One of the most flexible countries at the moment is Spain. The weather is great, the food is great, and it's a fun country.
- pmelendez 11y ago
  > It's a points based system, which is punitive of age and education. Pretty much the same than Canada but still way less restricting than USA. >One of the most flexible countries at the moment is Spain. The weather is great, the food is great, and it's a fun country. Spain has still a pretty significant unemployment rate, also (this may vary depending of the region and where are you originally from) some people are not very polite with some immigrant even if they are Spaniard-decendent (anecdotical experience from some friends living over there)
  - kweks 11y ago
    That's actually one of the reasons they've been pushing the new (2013, very new in terms of how quickly most visa situations evolve..) entrepreneur visa(s) in spain. There's two types: one gives you 1 year residency (can be extended, of course) - application is decided within 10 days. Another gives you 2 years, decision in 20 days. Entry requirements are low. It's worth checking out. In 10 days, you could be in Spain. There are many decent tech companies hiring as well. http://foundersgrid.com/spain-entrepreneur-visa http://foundersgrid.com/spain-entrepreneur-visa

rancur 11y ago

> deported in capitalist America, we ALSO deport intelligent workers

nnoitra 11y ago
Not so intelligent if you risk everything on risking eventual deportation it seems.