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Unlike so much other relatively new law, this satisfies mens rea, "the guilty mind" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_r

by hga 11y ago

Unlike so much other relatively new law, this satisfies mens rea, "the guilty mind" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea) so I can't say I have problems with it. Heck, it echoes a favorite Proverb, the start of 28: The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion. If I were to realize a (now very much ex-)friend had just maimed and murdered a bunch of people, my first thought would not be to dispose of evidence.

ipsin 11y ago
I delete my browser history often enough, but each instance is not evidence that I believe I've committed any crime. Do browsers actually log when you delete history? Is there any record or log beyond traces on the filesystem?
- abalashov 11y ago
  I don't think so, but an empty history, or a history consisting solely of access over the past few days, might be taken as evidence that it was wiped.
  - krick 11y ago
    So what? I might delete it just for my own convenience. (BTW, it's irrelevant if somebody does so, but if you are curious: I actually do. The reason is it is much simpler to search for something in the cache/history when it's small.) There's no reason whatsoever to think that I'm hiding something. I mean, if I was an investigator, I surely would pay attention to that, but I cannot (or shouldn't be able to) treat absence of evidence as evidence of "hiding something". No evidence is no evidence and nothing more.
MaulingMonkey 11y ago
> my first thought would not be to dispose of evidence. Which is exactly why I might delete my browsing history as I occasionally do without realizing that I was disposing of "evidence". Were it my first thought, I suspect my second thought would be "that's a terrible idea" - and my third to buy another computer, lest my daily, innocuous, use of it be cast as any form of evidence tampering.
juliangregorian 11y ago
I guess if you have no fear of recrimination or are a sociopath you can be confident in your righteousness? Sounds about right. The great thing is that people with your attitude get caught up in stings just the same as those who have mens rea. Police don't look at evidence and think "here's a guy/gal with nothing to hide", they think "here is someone we can charge".

by hga 11y ago

ipsin 11y ago

I delete my browser history often enough, but each instance is not evidence that I believe I've committed any crime. Do browsers actually log when you delete history? Is there any record or log beyond traces on the filesystem?

abalashov 11y ago
I don't think so, but an empty history, or a history consisting solely of access over the past few days, might be taken as evidence that it was wiped.
- krick 11y ago
  So what? I might delete it just for my own convenience. (BTW, it's irrelevant if somebody does so, but if you are curious: I actually do. The reason is it is much simpler to search for something in the cache/history when it's small.) There's no reason whatsoever to think that I'm hiding something. I mean, if I was an investigator, I surely would pay attention to that, but I cannot (or shouldn't be able to) treat absence of evidence as evidence of "hiding something". No evidence is no evidence and nothing more.

MaulingMonkey 11y ago

> my first thought would not be to dispose of evidence. Which is exactly why I might delete my browsing history as I occasionally do without realizing that I was disposing of "evidence". Were it my first thought, I suspect my second thought would be "that's a terrible idea" - and my third to buy another computer, lest my daily, innocuous, use of it be cast as any form of evidence tampering.

juliangregorian 11y ago

I guess if you have no fear of recrimination or are a sociopath you can be confident in your righteousness? Sounds about right. The great thing is that people with your attitude get caught up in stings just the same as those who have mens rea. Police don't look at evidence and think "here's a guy/gal with nothing to hide", they think "here is someone we can charge".