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This is absurd. How could you judge view to science by just a fiction? Do you consider star wars as a mature view to science?

gaius 11y ago
Star Wars was not vetted by any government officials for its ideological purity before publication, is the difference. Anything that is published in China, by definition is representative of the opinions of the Party.
- skaevola 11y ago
  Is this statement parody? If not, then you are incredibly ignorant about China.
  - gaius 11y ago
    The latter, I guess. We read stories in the press all the time about authors and "dissidents" being locked up, censorship of the Internet, etc etc. Are you saying none of that is true?
    - anon8418 11y ago
      >We read stories in the press all the time about authors and "dissidents" being locked up, censorship of the Internet, etc etc. Are you saying none of that is true? It is true, though not to the extremes I think you believe. I would guess that you're getting downvoted because you go from that to "Anything that is published in China, by definition is representative of the opinions of the Party." which is just patently not true (there is plenty of criticism of the CCP in both official published mediums - print, media, etc. - and even more so on blogs, weibo, etc.) Lastly, your statement can also be applied to many western countries...
- shaobo 11y ago
  It doesn't work that way. For example, from http://gking.harvard.edu/publications/how-Censorship-China-Allows-Government-Criticism-Silences-Collective-Expression http://gking.harvard.edu/publications/how-Censorship-China-A... "Contrary to previous understandings, posts with negative, even vitriolic, criticism of the state, its leaders, and its policies are not more likely to be censored. Instead, we show that the censorship program is aimed at curtailing collective action by silencing comments that represent, reinforce, or spur social mobilization, regardless of content."
  - xiaoma 11y ago
    Looks to me like you've never been active on Weibo or spent much time in China. You'd have to be an idiot to publish media critical of the state at any scale.
    - shaobo 11y ago
      No I haven't, but if you have the data to show otherwise, then by all means write it up.
      - xiaoma 11y ago
        Do you seriously expect the PRC to publish pristine data on on arrests or executions related to anti-state speech or activities?
        shaobo 11y ago
        No, but there is also a wide spectrum of opinion/speech available in China between anti-state and pro-state. The point I am trying to make is that people think China is a smidgen way from North Korea, when the actual difference is night and day.
  - hackuser 11y ago
    In the last month, off the top of my head: * Mass arrests of human rights attorneys and dissidents: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/12/world/asia/china-arrests-human-rights-lawyers-zhou-shifeng.html http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/12/world/asia/china-arrests-h... * Online political dissent shut down: http://www.afr.com/technology/social-media/how-china-stopped-its-bloggers-20150701-gi34za http://www.afr.com/technology/social-media/how-china-stopped...

gaius 11y ago

Star Wars was not vetted by any government officials for its ideological purity before publication, is the difference. Anything that is published in China, by definition is representative of the opinions of the Party.

skaevola 11y ago
Is this statement parody? If not, then you are incredibly ignorant about China.
- gaius 11y ago
  The latter, I guess. We read stories in the press all the time about authors and "dissidents" being locked up, censorship of the Internet, etc etc. Are you saying none of that is true?
  - anon8418 11y ago
    >We read stories in the press all the time about authors and "dissidents" being locked up, censorship of the Internet, etc etc. Are you saying none of that is true? It is true, though not to the extremes I think you believe. I would guess that you're getting downvoted because you go from that to "Anything that is published in China, by definition is representative of the opinions of the Party." which is just patently not true (there is plenty of criticism of the CCP in both official published mediums - print, media, etc. - and even more so on blogs, weibo, etc.) Lastly, your statement can also be applied to many western countries...
shaobo 11y ago
It doesn't work that way. For example, from http://gking.harvard.edu/publications/how-Censorship-China-Allows-Government-Criticism-Silences-Collective-Expression http://gking.harvard.edu/publications/how-Censorship-China-A... "Contrary to previous understandings, posts with negative, even vitriolic, criticism of the state, its leaders, and its policies are not more likely to be censored. Instead, we show that the censorship program is aimed at curtailing collective action by silencing comments that represent, reinforce, or spur social mobilization, regardless of content."
- xiaoma 11y ago
  Looks to me like you've never been active on Weibo or spent much time in China. You'd have to be an idiot to publish media critical of the state at any scale.
  - shaobo 11y ago
    No I haven't, but if you have the data to show otherwise, then by all means write it up.
    - xiaoma 11y ago
      Do you seriously expect the PRC to publish pristine data on on arrests or executions related to anti-state speech or activities?
      - shaobo 11y ago
        No, but there is also a wide spectrum of opinion/speech available in China between anti-state and pro-state. The point I am trying to make is that people think China is a smidgen way from North Korea, when the actual difference is night and day.
- hackuser 11y ago
  In the last month, off the top of my head: * Mass arrests of human rights attorneys and dissidents: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/12/world/asia/china-arrests-human-rights-lawyers-zhou-shifeng.html http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/12/world/asia/china-arrests-h... * Online political dissent shut down: http://www.afr.com/technology/social-media/how-china-stopped-its-bloggers-20150701-gi34za http://www.afr.com/technology/social-media/how-china-stopped...