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It is not at all overblown. There are real enclaves in Vancouver, just take a look at Richmond. Lot of shops and restaurants don't even have signs or menus in E
by curiousjorge 11y ago
It is not at all overblown. There are real enclaves in Vancouver, just take a look at Richmond. Lot of shops and restaurants don't even have signs or menus in English, it's all in Chinese.
I'm not sure if you ever been to UBC or SFU, all the foreign students chill with themselves. Have you ever seen a white guy identifying himself with a group of Korean foreign students who came here to study and barely speak a word of English? Or how often do you see a group of mixed cliques compared to single race cliques even amongst those that grew up here? Even for those that grew up here, the cliques are largely based on ethnicity. We might identify as Canadians but for the visible minority, the Canadian experience is vastly different from the mainstream one.
Just because you say it doesn't exist doesn't mean it goes away. Who says other cities are singing kumbaya? That wasn't my point, I was just offering a more reality based view that diversity that was being discussed above is largely politically correct and doesn't help to the overall discussion.
If you want to talk mixed couples it's happening in the States as well. But the difference between Canada and US is that Canada has no melting pot, there is definitely a lack of the same level of cohesiveness. Plenty of visible minority Canadians still see themselves identify as their native ethnicity. Why is this? How many times have you seen someone described as Canadian as being non-white in mainstream media? Apart from olympic medalists, celebrity or some power figure, the vast majority of visible minorities in Canada are not at all viewed in the same light.
I've seen a Pakistani taxi driver who used to be a surgeon and a Taiwanese pianist working as a janitor. Can these people honestly feel like they are accepted and treated as Canadians? Can we say that they are given the same equal choices and opportunities? No. Instead you see incompetent people running the governments, people with half the wits running companies. Don't fucking tell me we live in a perfect world where visible minorities aren't given a hard time. No, minorities have to work harder, better and faster to get to the same place someone who is readily accepted by the mainstream because their ancestors 'took' the land that didn't belong to them and continues to oppress them. This land was taken by European settlers at gunpoint, and if you live by the gun, you die by the gun. There are no masters or prvileges being handed out based on race explicitly but it does not rule out that there still exists a deep divide on who is accepted as equal or not. Obviously that Pakistani surgeon shouldn't be a taxi driver but he has to because of the invisible hand which in turn is influenced by invisible walls we've built long time ago and still exists. It's getting better but we sure as shit can't pretend that the emperor wears no clothes.
edit: msie, I can no longer reply and you are going to just reply to every sentence without even making a cohesive argument for your case so I have to assume you are trolling. Your superb ability to use the character '>' is duly noted.
I said good day, sir.
- msie 11y ago> There are real enclaves in Vancouver So what? Diversity doesn't exclude this. But are you saying it's a BAD thing? > just take a look at Richmond. Lot of shops and restaurants > don't even have signs or menus in English, it's all in Chinese. There was a survey done by the municipal govt because of the Chinese sign controversy. 4% doesn't mean a lot. Vancouver has been home to many immigrant groups. There were Greek "enclaves", Italian "enclaves" and Ukrainian "enclaves" and Chinatown was an early Chinese "enclave". What's different now? It seems that when people say "enclave" it's code for an isolated community that's perceived as a threat to the unity of the host community. I would say THAT definition of enclave doesn't fit here. > I'm not sure if you ever been to UBC or SFU, all the foreign students chill with themselves. Yes, it's understandable. If you and I were in Paris we'd be sticking together a lot and have Canadian flags on our backpacks. > Have you ever seen a white guy identifying himself with a group of Korean foreign students who came here to study and barely speak a word of English? I can't say, but I have seen white people hanging out with Asian Canadians and Canadians of other ethnicities. > Plenty of Asian Canadians see themselves identify as their native ethnicity. Is that a fact? I think many Asian Canadians identify themselves as Canadians but are dismayed that other people don't. > But the difference between Canada and US is that Canada has no melting pot, there is definitely a lack of cohesion and a sense of unity.* This difference is simplistic, overblown. Have you not seen the news of the rift between whites and blacks in the US? Of the discrimination against Muslims? Only recently did they legalize gay marriage but Canada has been united behind the concept for years. > How many times have you seen someone described as Canadian as being non-white in mainstream media?* That is a problem the mainstream media has and is really depressing.
- msie 11y ago>I've seen a Pakistani taxi driver who used to be a surgeon >and a Taiwanese pianist working as a janitor. Can these >people honestly feel like they are accepted and treated as >Canadians? Can we say that they are given the same equal >choices and opportunities? No. You've just added the last paragraph and it completely changes the complexion of your post for me. Yes, I agree.
- msie 11y ago1. Groups of foreign students aren't ethnic enclaves. 2. You've made numerous edits to your original post. 3. The initial post just mentioned diversity but you took umbrage with it trying to point out how flawed our diversity is. I was taking issue with that.