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It seems like a lot of people are just upset because they feel the CoC discriminates against them. You are harassed and have privileges ? I don't care, being h

by zxcvcxz 11y ago

It seems like a lot of people are just upset because they feel the CoC discriminates against them. You are harassed and have privileges ? I don't care, being harassed is still not fine whether you have privileges or not. Seems to sum up what most people are complaining about.

thomasfoster96 11y ago
Yeah, I agree that a few sections were worded badly (the thing about reverse-isms isn't really needed, and just raises more questions than it answers). it's just that a lot of people don't seem to have the patience or the good faith to see these sorts of issues fixed.
- jp_sc 11y ago
  I agree, the maintainers could have merge one of the many pull request than removed the reverse -ism section, but apparently it was something they couldn't agree on.
drunkwally 11y ago
Well, it's ok to discriminate against people with Commit Privileges - they can just bypass the whole pull request system anyway.
dmart 11y ago
For the sake of discussion, this is the part that people seem to be taking the most issue with: Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. We will not act on complaints regarding: - ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’ - Reasonable communication of boundaries, such as “leave me alone,” “go away,” or “I’m not discussing this with you” - Refusal to explain or debate social justice concepts - Communicating in a ‘tone’ you don’t find congenial - Criticizing racist, sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressive behavior or assumptions
- zxcvcxz 11y ago
  How can people still deny that this isn't clear discrimination against straight white males? The PC police talk about all the "coded racism" that they see all day but they can't tell that this is coded racism? They should just say what they mean: If you're a straight white man it's okay to treat you like shit.
  - tomp 11y ago
    People who say that are usually people who define "racism" and "sexism" as "discrimination from a position of power" or "systemic/institutional discrimination". For them, just because men or whites are statistically more likely to be powerful, men and whites are powerful and "privileged" in general. Who cares about poor whites and homeless men! I think that's pure bullshit, but a lot of people apparently feel the opposite.
  - Globrazu 11y ago
    "They should just say what they mean: If you're a straight white man it's okay to treat you like shit." Several GitHub employees would agree: https://github.com/todogroup/opencodeofconduct/pull/17 https://github.com/todogroup/opencodeofconduct/pull/17 https://twitter.com/rachelmyers/status/629981737121021953 https://twitter.com/rachelmyers/status/629981737121021953 https://twitter.com/agelender/status/629080326736773120 https://twitter.com/agelender/status/629080326736773120 https://twitter.com/agelender/status/573560084837498880 https://twitter.com/agelender/status/573560084837498880

by zxcvcxz 11y ago

thomasfoster96 11y ago

Yeah, I agree that a few sections were worded badly (the thing about reverse-isms isn't really needed, and just raises more questions than it answers). it's just that a lot of people don't seem to have the patience or the good faith to see these sorts of issues fixed.

jp_sc 11y ago
I agree, the maintainers could have merge one of the many pull request than removed the reverse -ism section, but apparently it was something they couldn't agree on.

drunkwally 11y ago

Well, it's ok to discriminate against people with Commit Privileges - they can just bypass the whole pull request system anyway.

dmart 11y ago

For the sake of discussion, this is the part that people seem to be taking the most issue with: Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. We will not act on complaints regarding: - ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’ - Reasonable communication of boundaries, such as “leave me alone,” “go away,” or “I’m not discussing this with you” - Refusal to explain or debate social justice concepts - Communicating in a ‘tone’ you don’t find congenial - Criticizing racist, sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressive behavior or assumptions

zxcvcxz 11y ago
How can people still deny that this isn't clear discrimination against straight white males? The PC police talk about all the "coded racism" that they see all day but they can't tell that this is coded racism? They should just say what they mean: If you're a straight white man it's okay to treat you like shit.
- tomp 11y ago
  People who say that are usually people who define "racism" and "sexism" as "discrimination from a position of power" or "systemic/institutional discrimination". For them, just because men or whites are statistically more likely to be powerful, men and whites are powerful and "privileged" in general. Who cares about poor whites and homeless men! I think that's pure bullshit, but a lot of people apparently feel the opposite.
- Globrazu 11y ago
  "They should just say what they mean: If you're a straight white man it's okay to treat you like shit." Several GitHub employees would agree: https://github.com/todogroup/opencodeofconduct/pull/17 https://github.com/todogroup/opencodeofconduct/pull/17 https://twitter.com/rachelmyers/status/629981737121021953 https://twitter.com/rachelmyers/status/629981737121021953 https://twitter.com/agelender/status/629080326736773120 https://twitter.com/agelender/status/629080326736773120 https://twitter.com/agelender/status/573560084837498880 https://twitter.com/agelender/status/573560084837498880