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Counter-data: Paris Hilton.

danieltillett 11y ago
Actually Paris is quite smart, she just plays an idiot for the masses. Even if she was an idiot, it proves nothing. There are plenty of dumb rich as even with assortative mating your children will be normally distributed, just from a higher mean.
- enraged_camel 11y ago
  >>Actually Paris is quite smart, she just plays an idiot for the masses. People said the same thing about George W. Bush. We have yet to see any evidence for that assertion, both for him and Hilton. >>There are plenty of dumb rich as even with assortative mating your children will be normally distributed, just from a higher mean. Quite a bold claim. I'd like to see a citation.
  - danieltillett 11y ago
    >People said the same thing about George W. Bush. We have yet to see any evidence for that assertion, both for him and Hilton. GWB got a SAT mark that implies a IQ over 130. While he certainly liked to play the fool for his audience, I saw no evidence that he was stupid, just totally corrupt. >Quite a bold claim. I'd like to see a citation. Any trait that has more than a few hundred genes influencing it will be normally distributed with the mean of the offspring the mean of the parents. The genetic component of intelligence is influenced by a few thousand genes so it is not surprising to find that intelligence is normally distributed with the offspring mean the mean of the parents. This is population genetics 101. One of the more interesting observations about human intelligence is the variation in high intelligence is almost all genetics while low intelligence has a quite large environmental component [1]. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ
    - ectoplasm 11y ago
      Per the intro to that article, presumably high intelligence also has a large environmental component, in that you need a good environment not to squash the heritability. btw, I think you didn't finish editing: > normally distributed with the mean of the offspring the mean of the parents > normally distributed with the offspring mean the mean of the parents
      - danieltillett 11y ago
        Yes even if you have the genetic potential for high intelligence environment can destroy it. What counts as a good environment is pretty basic though - the vast majority of people grow up in an environment which won't kill their genetic potential. What I wrote about the means is correct. Over the population the mean intelligence of the offspring is equal to the mean intelligence of the parents. Of course with individual parents and offspring you can have sets of children where the means are not the same, but averaged over a large group the means are the same.
        ectoplasm 11y ago
        Ok re: IQ. Re: means, I still can't parse what you wrote the first time and I'm a native speaker. <noun> will be <verb> with <noun> <noun>?
        danieltillett 11y ago
        What I wrote was a bit dense and extracting what I was try to say was not easy (this is bad writing on my part). What I was trying to say is the average intelligence of the children is the same as the average intelligence, but the actual values of the children will be scattered and this scattering will show a normal (bell curve) distribution. Putting this into numbers if the father has an IQ (g these days) of 110 and the mother an IQ of 150 then their children will be expected to have an average IQ of 130, but their actual IQs might be 115, 140, 160, and 100.
        11y ago
  - MagnumOpus 11y ago
    Like another poster said, GWB scored 1206 in his SAT - that is below the 80th percentile. An 80th percentile IQ score is 113 - it will not get you into Yale or Harvard unless you are both a legacy admit as well as a son of a millionaire.
    - danieltillett 11y ago
      Don’t only the right hand side of the bell curve take the SAT [1]? Also hasn’t there been significant inflation in SAT scores over time [2]? 1. http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d10/tables/dt10_154.asp http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d10/tables/dt10_154.asp 2. http://www.ets.org/Media/Research/pdf/RR-02-04-Dorans.pdf http://www.ets.org/Media/Research/pdf/RR-02-04-Dorans.pdf Edit. This article is rather interesting [3]. I am not sure how much we can draw from SAT marks from along time ago other than GWB was not an idiot nor the smartest person at Yale. No dumb person is going to graduate from Yale even if they are a legacy student. 3. http://www.slate.com/articles/briefing/articles/2000/01/bill_bradleys_sat_scores.html http://www.slate.com/articles/briefing/articles/2000/01/bill...
J-dawg 11y ago
Not sure if this proves or disproves anything, but there are rumours she's a vintage radio enthusiast http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/the-truth-is-out-there http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/the-truth-is-out-there
- danieltillett 11y ago
  I think it just proves she is underestimated by some people here. I saw a documentary on her which was a behind-the-scenes look and while she is no ultra genius, she is also no dummy.

Actually Paris is quite smart, she just plays an idiot for the masses. Even if she was an idiot, it proves nothing. There are plenty of dumb rich as even with assortative mating your children will be normally distributed, just from a higher mean.

enraged_camel 11y ago
>>Actually Paris is quite smart, she just plays an idiot for the masses. People said the same thing about George W. Bush. We have yet to see any evidence for that assertion, both for him and Hilton. >>There are plenty of dumb rich as even with assortative mating your children will be normally distributed, just from a higher mean. Quite a bold claim. I'd like to see a citation.
- danieltillett 11y ago
  >People said the same thing about George W. Bush. We have yet to see any evidence for that assertion, both for him and Hilton. GWB got a SAT mark that implies a IQ over 130. While he certainly liked to play the fool for his audience, I saw no evidence that he was stupid, just totally corrupt. >Quite a bold claim. I'd like to see a citation. Any trait that has more than a few hundred genes influencing it will be normally distributed with the mean of the offspring the mean of the parents. The genetic component of intelligence is influenced by a few thousand genes so it is not surprising to find that intelligence is normally distributed with the offspring mean the mean of the parents. This is population genetics 101. One of the more interesting observations about human intelligence is the variation in high intelligence is almost all genetics while low intelligence has a quite large environmental component [1]. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ
  - ectoplasm 11y ago
    Per the intro to that article, presumably high intelligence also has a large environmental component, in that you need a good environment not to squash the heritability. btw, I think you didn't finish editing: > normally distributed with the mean of the offspring the mean of the parents > normally distributed with the offspring mean the mean of the parents
    - danieltillett 11y ago
      Yes even if you have the genetic potential for high intelligence environment can destroy it. What counts as a good environment is pretty basic though - the vast majority of people grow up in an environment which won't kill their genetic potential. What I wrote about the means is correct. Over the population the mean intelligence of the offspring is equal to the mean intelligence of the parents. Of course with individual parents and offspring you can have sets of children where the means are not the same, but averaged over a large group the means are the same.
      - ectoplasm 11y ago
        Ok re: IQ. Re: means, I still can't parse what you wrote the first time and I'm a native speaker. <noun> will be <verb> with <noun> <noun>?
        danieltillett 11y ago
        What I wrote was a bit dense and extracting what I was try to say was not easy (this is bad writing on my part). What I was trying to say is the average intelligence of the children is the same as the average intelligence, but the actual values of the children will be scattered and this scattering will show a normal (bell curve) distribution. Putting this into numbers if the father has an IQ (g these days) of 110 and the mother an IQ of 150 then their children will be expected to have an average IQ of 130, but their actual IQs might be 115, 140, 160, and 100.
        11y ago
- MagnumOpus 11y ago
  Like another poster said, GWB scored 1206 in his SAT - that is below the 80th percentile. An 80th percentile IQ score is 113 - it will not get you into Yale or Harvard unless you are both a legacy admit as well as a son of a millionaire.
  - danieltillett 11y ago
    Don’t only the right hand side of the bell curve take the SAT [1]? Also hasn’t there been significant inflation in SAT scores over time [2]? 1. http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d10/tables/dt10_154.asp http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d10/tables/dt10_154.asp 2. http://www.ets.org/Media/Research/pdf/RR-02-04-Dorans.pdf http://www.ets.org/Media/Research/pdf/RR-02-04-Dorans.pdf Edit. This article is rather interesting [3]. I am not sure how much we can draw from SAT marks from along time ago other than GWB was not an idiot nor the smartest person at Yale. No dumb person is going to graduate from Yale even if they are a legacy student. 3. http://www.slate.com/articles/briefing/articles/2000/01/bill_bradleys_sat_scores.html http://www.slate.com/articles/briefing/articles/2000/01/bill...

J-dawg 11y ago

Not sure if this proves or disproves anything, but there are rumours she's a vintage radio enthusiast http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/the-truth-is-out-there http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/the-truth-is-out-there

danieltillett 11y ago
I think it just proves she is underestimated by some people here. I saw a documentary on her which was a behind-the-scenes look and while she is no ultra genius, she is also no dummy.