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> It's extemely ironic that women would complain about the disappearance of something that was designed to their direct detriment. So-called 'alpha males' tend

> It's extemely ironic that women would complain about the disappearance of something that was designed to their direct detriment. So-called 'alpha males' tend to define and shape the culture they're a part of, a lot more than the 'non-alpha' males you just spent ten sentences shitting on. It's interesting you think low-status males just 'invented' monogamy, and in doing so turned the reproductive tables on 20% of men and 100% of women. I think it's more like, historically speaking, cultures that allowed for more males to have reproductive success, and that therefore gave more males a stake in the society and culture they're a part of, saw more success and out-competed the ones that did not. Which is to say, a society where near-100% of the population have a direct reproductive stake in the future, will be more productive than societies where about 60% of the population does. Whether this remains true now is an interesting question.

zxcvvcxz 11y ago
Bingo. The beta males did not invent monogamy; it evolved as a system whereby more productive abled bodies were invested in the success of a society. These societies proliferated. > Whether this remains true now is an interesting question. I believe that when the benefits do not outweigh the cons, a lot of males start checking out of society altogether. See Japan [1] as an example. E.g. I'm going to have to work my ass off throughout life jumping through hoops and then work 80 hour weeks at BigCompanyJapan and then maybe find a woman who I won't have time to spend with? Fuck it, video games, porn, and basement sound better. For a more US-centric view, check out [2]. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikikomori https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikikomori [2] - http://www.amazon.ca/The-War-Against-Boys-Misguided/dp/0684849577 http://www.amazon.ca/The-War-Against-Boys-Misguided/dp/06848...
- rndn 11y ago
  These statistics provide some evidence: http://www.japancrush.com/2013/stories/30-of-single-japanese-men-have-never-dated-a-woman.html http://www.japancrush.com/2013/stories/30-of-single-japanese... There is an antithetic trend in Japan though, since Japanese women are emancipated and the high economic demands prevent them from investing time into dating. So, the numbers could possibly differ even more. (I’m not sure how emancipation affects the statistics for the males, though.)

zxcvvcxz 11y ago

Bingo. The beta males did not invent monogamy; it evolved as a system whereby more productive abled bodies were invested in the success of a society. These societies proliferated. > Whether this remains true now is an interesting question. I believe that when the benefits do not outweigh the cons, a lot of males start checking out of society altogether. See Japan [1] as an example. E.g. I'm going to have to work my ass off throughout life jumping through hoops and then work 80 hour weeks at BigCompanyJapan and then maybe find a woman who I won't have time to spend with? Fuck it, video games, porn, and basement sound better. For a more US-centric view, check out [2]. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikikomori https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikikomori [2] - http://www.amazon.ca/The-War-Against-Boys-Misguided/dp/0684849577 http://www.amazon.ca/The-War-Against-Boys-Misguided/dp/06848...

rndn 11y ago
These statistics provide some evidence: http://www.japancrush.com/2013/stories/30-of-single-japanese-men-have-never-dated-a-woman.html http://www.japancrush.com/2013/stories/30-of-single-japanese... There is an antithetic trend in Japan though, since Japanese women are emancipated and the high economic demands prevent them from investing time into dating. So, the numbers could possibly differ even more. (I’m not sure how emancipation affects the statistics for the males, though.)