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What makes you think that nobody is questioning it? I'm sure some people are, but the fact that informed consumers are purchasing these cars speaks for itself.

teacup50 11y ago
What does that fact speak for?
- chambo622 11y ago
  It indicates that "the dangers of cloud-enabling cars" are in fact "justified by the features provided" for a nontrivial number of people.
  - teacup50 11y ago
    That's a nonsensically trivial analysis: 1) The features provided by Tesla extend far beyond those provided by "cloud-enablement"; the fact that "informed consumers" are buying the cars does not indicate that their purchasing decision came down to isolating cloud-enablement relative to cloud-features. 2) Your hypothetical informed consumers don't really exist, unless the only people buying cloud-enabled cars are computer scientists.
    - chambo622 11y ago
      1) Sure - it's one factor among many in the purchasing decision. Never said otherwise. It would also be incorrect to assume that this was not a factor at all. 2) Ever looked at a tech company parking lot in South Bay? A lot of people with CS background are buying the Model S. Not all buyers are computer scientists but informed buyers most definitely do exist.
Silhouette 11y ago
How do we know how well-informed or otherwise the people purchasing these vehicles are? There are relatively few people in the world who fully appreciate the implications of security issues and who can make rational risk assessments and take reasonable measures to limit those risks. Of course, even being informed isn't going to help if this sort of poorly secured connectivity becomes the norm for new vehicles, which seems to be happening disturbingly quickly. If you rely on the independence offered by having a car but all cars have similar dangers, you might have only bad alternatives to choose between, but they're still bad. [Edit: That last sentence was ambiguous. My intended meaning was that the alternatives to using a car at all might also be bad, for example incurring significant costs and disruption moving to live somewhere with viable public transport instead.]

teacup50 11y ago

What does that fact speak for?

chambo622 11y ago
It indicates that "the dangers of cloud-enabling cars" are in fact "justified by the features provided" for a nontrivial number of people.
- teacup50 11y ago
  That's a nonsensically trivial analysis: 1) The features provided by Tesla extend far beyond those provided by "cloud-enablement"; the fact that "informed consumers" are buying the cars does not indicate that their purchasing decision came down to isolating cloud-enablement relative to cloud-features. 2) Your hypothetical informed consumers don't really exist, unless the only people buying cloud-enabled cars are computer scientists.
  - chambo622 11y ago
    1) Sure - it's one factor among many in the purchasing decision. Never said otherwise. It would also be incorrect to assume that this was not a factor at all. 2) Ever looked at a tech company parking lot in South Bay? A lot of people with CS background are buying the Model S. Not all buyers are computer scientists but informed buyers most definitely do exist.

Silhouette 11y ago

How do we know how well-informed or otherwise the people purchasing these vehicles are? There are relatively few people in the world who fully appreciate the implications of security issues and who can make rational risk assessments and take reasonable measures to limit those risks. Of course, even being informed isn't going to help if this sort of poorly secured connectivity becomes the norm for new vehicles, which seems to be happening disturbingly quickly. If you rely on the independence offered by having a car but all cars have similar dangers, you might have only bad alternatives to choose between, but they're still bad. [Edit: That last sentence was ambiguous. My intended meaning was that the alternatives to using a car at all might also be bad, for example incurring significant costs and disruption moving to live somewhere with viable public transport instead.]