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Why exactly are any governments agreeing to this shit?

err4nt 11y ago
I feel like we are watching the sovereignty of nations fade, and watching the baton pass to corporations. The US has invented this industry of Intellectual Property deliberately as a way to extract money from people by limiting their freedoms. As nations become less powerful and corporations become more powerful, the political landscape is shifting. I believe the US is creating the TPP to try to give as much of an advantage to US corporations in that future landscape where corporations are sovereign over nations. The US is trying to intimidate other countries to join on the threat of being cut out of this new exclusive elite they are trying to create if they don't. I think people are reluctantly agreeing to it because they are afraid of being outcast from future political influence if this TPP deal does go through without them, and nations become less powerful.
- 1971genocide 11y ago
  There is no difference between the US govt and its multinationals. Why the TPP is being moved so quickly is because of the rise of a competing set of multinationals in china. I do not think the idea of a nation state is going to go away anytime soon - espeically when you have robust democracy like in germany,india and europe. Multinationals do not invest in education, infrastructure, low cost housing, etc. The US became an exceptional nation mainly because of its actions in the past when they actually invested in their people that resulted in companies like GM,GE to come into existence in the first place. Now they are just trying to preserve their global hegemony without paying for it.
serge2k 11y ago
because the US government is too powerful to ignore and the US government also happens to have been systematically corrupted by corporate interests.
notatoad 11y ago
Because it's just one part of a huge deal involving a lot more than copyright. NZ wants to get into the Canadian dairy market. Australia wants to be able to sell sugar to americans. Every country has things they want, and things they don't care about that they're willing to give up in exchange for the things they want. It seems that agreeing to the American's copyright demands mostly falls into the "things we're willing to give up" category.
angersock 11y ago
Because, honestly, none of it inconveniences them. You honestly think a congressman gives two shits about how much it costs to buy a DVD? Or having their internet traffic logged? Or whatever else is backdoored in these deals? Meanwhile, by kowtowing and allowing this to happen, they win major career points. Face it--we're not the citizens, we're the product.

I feel like we are watching the sovereignty of nations fade, and watching the baton pass to corporations. The US has invented this industry of Intellectual Property deliberately as a way to extract money from people by limiting their freedoms. As nations become less powerful and corporations become more powerful, the political landscape is shifting. I believe the US is creating the TPP to try to give as much of an advantage to US corporations in that future landscape where corporations are sovereign over nations. The US is trying to intimidate other countries to join on the threat of being cut out of this new exclusive elite they are trying to create if they don't. I think people are reluctantly agreeing to it because they are afraid of being outcast from future political influence if this TPP deal does go through without them, and nations become less powerful.

1971genocide 11y ago
There is no difference between the US govt and its multinationals. Why the TPP is being moved so quickly is because of the rise of a competing set of multinationals in china. I do not think the idea of a nation state is going to go away anytime soon - espeically when you have robust democracy like in germany,india and europe. Multinationals do not invest in education, infrastructure, low cost housing, etc. The US became an exceptional nation mainly because of its actions in the past when they actually invested in their people that resulted in companies like GM,GE to come into existence in the first place. Now they are just trying to preserve their global hegemony without paying for it.

serge2k 11y ago

because the US government is too powerful to ignore and the US government also happens to have been systematically corrupted by corporate interests.

notatoad 11y ago

Because it's just one part of a huge deal involving a lot more than copyright. NZ wants to get into the Canadian dairy market. Australia wants to be able to sell sugar to americans. Every country has things they want, and things they don't care about that they're willing to give up in exchange for the things they want. It seems that agreeing to the American's copyright demands mostly falls into the "things we're willing to give up" category.

angersock 11y ago

Because, honestly, none of it inconveniences them. You honestly think a congressman gives two shits about how much it costs to buy a DVD? Or having their internet traffic logged? Or whatever else is backdoored in these deals? Meanwhile, by kowtowing and allowing this to happen, they win major career points. Face it--we're not the citizens, we're the product.