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The gimp.org domain has expired
- commentereleven 11y agoIt looks fine to me? What are you talking about?
- tbassetto 11y agoIt looks like this to me: http://i.imgur.com/qxjaDqP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/qxjaDqP.jpg
- reustle 11y agoIt displays http://domainnamesales.com http://domainnamesales.com for me
- iMark 11y agoI see a domain registration site.
- Xylakant 11y agofor me it shows the page of domainnamesales.com. maybe someone forgot to extend the domain, so poached might be a little premature.
- deleted 11y ago[deleted]
- richmarr 11y agoI get the correct gimp.org site too. whois seems to indicate Shawn Amundson as the owner, which sounds about right. I wonder if we're part way through DNS propogation
- KineticLensman 11y agoJust tried it from a work PC that hasn't been before (so fresh cache), got domain sales
- agumonkey 11y agocache
- spsful 11y agoOkay this is weird. It is a blank page with "Domain not active." on it. https://gyazo.com/f5a009cbb8b539ca7c32376bd766564b https://gyazo.com/f5a009cbb8b539ca7c32376bd766564b
- colinbartlett 11y agoWhen I go there now, I see the same site that's been there for a while: https://web.archive.org/web/*/gimp.org https://web.archive.org/web/*/gimp.org So maybe it was returned to its owner?
- rplnt 11y agoOr maybe you are using the old IP from your DNS cache?
- Shivetya 11y agoI don't understand registrars that don't alert you to the fact that it is going to expire. I have that registrar that everyone loves to hate and they are damn good at reminding me when to renew and not annoying me in between such times. (as in, I have godaddy)
- dspillett 11y agoI'm pretty sure every registrar does this. It is in their interest: they remind you to pay so they get your money instead of some other registra getting a poacher's money. A key problem is people not seeing the reminders. Perhaps they get lost in a sea of spam. Perhaps they get accidently calssifed as spem themselves. Perhaps the contact information for the domain isn't kept up-to-date and the reminders end up in an email account that is no longer monitored.
- jonwinstanley 11y agoLooks more like someone forgot to pay the domain fee
- neotek 11y agoPoaching is registering a recently expired domain, usually so that you can (effectively) extort the original owner to buy it back from you.
- BiohaZd 11y agoUpdated Date: 2015-08-06T08:16:07Z Name Server:NS1.DOTSTER-EXPIRED.DOMAINPARKINGSERVER.NET Name Server:NS2.DOTSTER-EXPIRED.DOMAINPARKINGSERVER.NET
- scriptproof 11y agoGimp.org domain: Created 1997-08-04 Expires 2015-08-03. So expired 3 days ago.
- delinka 11y agoIf it expired three days ago, isn't there a 30 day window whithin which they can still renew?
- at-fates-hands 11y agoYeah, it gets put on hold for 45 days at which time it can be renewed. If it isn't renewed with that 45 day window, then it gets listed as "expired" and the owner still has another 30 days to renew it. Once it goes beyond these two phases, it enters into the "pending delete" phase at the end of which, it's released and open to get hijacked by someone else. They still have plenty of time to renew it without issue.
- simonswords82 11y agoThis is exactly why we created a domain name/ssl reminder tool: http://www.expirify.com http://www.expirify.com. A really easy mistake to make and very costly, I hope they get it back
- zymhan 11y agoHow is this necessary if there is a grace period after a domain expires?
- seren 11y agoIt is still better to act early than having someone else squatting your address for a few days.
- gokhan 11y agoYou can't use your domain in grace period until you pay. It gets redirected.
- kuschku 11y agoWith ICANN registrars, that is true. DENIC, for example, (which operates seperately and has their own, incompatible WHOIS system), operates .de differently: After your domain ran out, it will get "locked", all DNS settings will be locked they were before, and you get a letter or an SMS. The domain will stay locked for 2 weeks, during that you can enter the code from the SMS or letter on a website to move the domain to another registrar or delete the domain. If you don’t react at all, after 2 weeks, the domain goes into TRANSIT. It still stays locked, but now you get actually billed for it, until you enter the code or delete the domain. Essentially, with DENIC, the domain stays locked until you decide to delete it or move it to another registrar. You can also disable the TRANSIT, in that case, if the domain runs out, after 2 weeks grace period of being locked it actually runs out. Remember: Not all NICs operate like ICANN.
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- whichdan 11y agohttps://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expired-2013-05-03-en https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expired-2013-05-03-en Domains have a renewal grace period. Since it expired recently, they'll be fine.
- pi3141592 11y agoso all I have to do in order for my comment to be on top is to reply to the most voted comment ? :) (please do not reply, so my comment will stay on top :) ) edit 1: after few quick downvotes, i am still here, on top :)
- duggan 11y agoNot poached, but definitely now in the 30-day grace period[1]. [1] https://www.dotster.com/domains/faq.bml https://www.dotster.com/domains/faq.bml
- franzpeterstein 11y agoQuestion: Alternative download links for Mac and Windows? (No Sourcforge)
- skrebbel 11y agoLooks like Fosshub has it: http://www.fosshub.com/GIMP.html http://www.fosshub.com/GIMP.html (to anyone who knows this: it looks to me like fosshub wants to be the anti-sourceforge, the new home for binary opensource downloads, and that they're non-evil. is this true?)
- morganvachon 11y agoIt seems legitimate, and I agree with their stance (if not their tone) in the "Controversy" section of their FAQ. I'd love to see them put out a tool similar to Ninite, though I don't know if they have the resources to allocate for that.
- FossHub 11y agoThank you for the confidence! We can assure you that our intentions are "good". As for the Ninite suggestion, unfortunately (since FossHub is NOT after the money) we don't have the financial resources to add such a tool. Maybe later. Thanks again!
- skrebbel 11y agoMay I ask why you're running the site anonymously?
- FossHub 11y agoSure! We run the site anonymously for the same reason as others - keep phishing attempts away, minimize spam, increase the security by eliminating social hacking attempts and a few other reasons that are well-known by law enforcement agencies. We did tried to run without the "privacy" option enabled and we were forced to activate it. We acknowledge that this might raise some questions but as long as we deliver a trustworthy service this shouldn't matter too much for our users.
- roflchoppa 11y agoURL poaching is messed up. don't be a jerk.
- morganvachon 11y agoAs others have said, I don't think it was poached, more likely it's in the 30 day grace period for a missed renewal. Hopefully they'll get it sorted soon. And yes, domain poaching is very douche-y, and is basically extortion.
- kragen 11y agoWe should stop using the domain name system to name web pages and email addresses. It is too vulnerable to legal attacks, extralegal attacks, and simple human error. There are a bunch of decentralized possibilities out there: IPFS, Tahoe-LAFS, MaidSafe, and so on. None of them are ready yet, except (for some purposes) FreeNet and Tor Onion Services, and it's going to be a lot of work to get them to work, and probably some of them are simply unworkable. But this is a really, really important problem to solve, and it's solvable.
- gradi3nt 11y agoIs there a good alternative idea?
- logfromblammo 11y agoI don't know about "good", but there are Namecoin, based on bitcoin-like blockchains, and P2P DNS, based on torrent-like protocols. Some people run alternative DNS servers, without the sanction of ICANN. TOR hidden services directories might also be evolved into something similar to a DNS competitor. The current DNS system is based on a central service authority, which creates a monopoly on an artificially scarce resource. If the whole web went IPv6 and no web server had to share an IP with another, private address book names, shared via social connections, could handle the naming of everything out on the long tail of site popularity, and the largest sites could continue using whatever makes the most money for them. I can input names myself to attach to the phone numbers I know, and pass them to a friend with a NFC tap or message, so I could potentially also do that for IP address numbers. I don't particularly want my ability to use the web controlled by ICANN as a single central authority, especially as I perceived the recent TLD sale as a blatant cash grab. The central authority has to be trustable, and I don't fully trust it.
- lazypenguin 11y agoCare to propose and develop an alternative?
- dspillett 11y agoExcellent plan. Now we only need to worry about the small matters designing an alternative system that acheives what the domain name system does without those draw-backs, and convincing people to use the new system...
- Grue3 11y agoCan the headline be changed to reflect the fact that it expired and wasn't "poached"?
- delinka 11y agoSeconded, since the registrar has to provide a grace period, but can still redirect the expired domain to any place they like.
- larrys 11y agoEdit: Not any place you want actually... Per ICANN if domain is made innactive the page that it points to if it points to a page (it doesn't have to you can just put the name on hold) needs to describe how to get the domain back. Once again that's only if a page is displayed displaying a page is not required. https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/errp-2013-02-28-en https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/errp-2013-02-28-en "2.2.4. In interrupting the DNS resolution path of the registration, if the registrar directs web traffic to the domain name to a web page while the registration is still renewable by the RAE, that web page must conspicuously indicate that the domain name registration is expired and provide renewal instructions."
- delinka 11y agoAnd how often is this enforced? Does the registrar actually face anything punitive for doing what's been done here?
- larrys 11y agoGood question. ICANN does audits where they cherry pick some domains and say "show me what the fuck happened in logs and prove you did the right things". However the audits are every 3 years or so and the domains are just random pickings. So it's up to a registrant that is wronged to file a complaint and then ICANN says something to the registrar and the registrar says something back and they close the case kind of like a residential noise complaint where the cops come out when called. There really aren't any minor punitive actions per se other than revoking accreditation which is major. And you would be correct in assuming that would be rare and ICANN first gives every chance for a registrar to correct the wrong doing. So you could in theory get away for this for years and if and when caught you would just get your act together and fix things up. Note: I have been dealing with ICANN since the start and they tend to be pretty cool and fair with registrars but they do take complaints seriously and do follow up on them. Creates a ton and a pain of paperwork for registrars so that really is the negative to not complying in a way.
- burstmode 11y agoGreat ! Now the GIMP team will use this opportunity to create their own version of a "domain". I will look & work mostly like all other domains, but just mostly. Like you will not be allowed to directy save a change to its structure...
- aikah 11y agoI get "Domain not active" so what people get may vary depending on their location.
- ilurkedhere 11y agoThey're probably just moving to Sourceforge.
- BinaryIdiot 11y agoNote to self: check gimp.org on September 3rd to see if it was renewed or not. In all seriousness I'm pretty surprised they would let it lapse. Hopefully they pick it up within the grace period. It would suck for a bad actor to get ahold of it and offer up the gimp for download with, say, malware in it.
- schumaml 11y agoWell, Shawn has already renewed gimp.org. This wasn't really surprising to me* - some months ago, when we discovered that gimpguru.org (no one from GIMP is connected to that site, btw) had expired and taken over by a third-party, we checked and discovered that gimp.org expires on 2015-08-03. Personally, I firmly believe that useful change only happens when survivable incidents happen, so my only concern was whether gimp.org would be lost immediately it wasn't renewed before that date. But when someone pointed out the grace period, I thought "well, either it is renewed in time, or we will have discussions similar to those that happen right now, might be a good wakeup call". * but yes, of course I was surprised when I couldn't connect to www.gimp.org anymore, in particular because I had some updates planned for the downloads pages, because I had simply forgotten about it. Dismissing it as a non-issue until something actually happens tneds to cuase this, apparently.
- postynotes 11y agoThey should have at least had a monitoring service like https://www.dotcom-monitor.com https://www.dotcom-monitor.com monitoring their site so they knew about the issue right away.
- moviuro 11y agoBTW, it is back up.
- hope4peace 11y agostill says domain not active for me. I tried doing a control refresh but still no.