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Earth is a sunlit object in this picture, the luminosity is the same level as during the day on earth - would you see stars in your photos if you took a correct

Earth is a sunlit object in this picture, the luminosity is the same level as during the day on earth - would you see stars in your photos if you took a correctly exposed photo of something during daylight on earth? I don't think this would happen :) The dynamic range difference between day light objects on earth and the stars on the sky is huge.

bumbledraven 11y ago
The satellite is 1 million miles away from Earth at the L1 Lagrange point. What is it about optics that allows us to compare a photo of the stars taken at such a distance with one taken from the surface of the earth? [Edit: "compare", in the sense of understanding whether or not the stars will or won't show up in each case. I get that the laws of optics are the same throughout the universe.] > The dynamic range difference between day light objects on earth and the stars on the sky is huge. I agree, but would a person sitting in the satellite see stars if they looked in that direction? If so, do our eyes just have better dynamic range than the camera used by the satellite?
- mnw21cam 11y ago
  Yes, our eyes just do have a fantastic dynamic range. Having said that, if you were sitting on the satellite, you would see even more stars if you blinkered out the brightness of the sun, moon, and earth.
  - TeMPOraL 11y ago
    Don't cameras have much better dynamic range, but we just limit it in software by reducing everything into 8-12bit/color images? After all, the hardware is just a bunch of sensors counting photons.
    - acqq 11y ago
      Go here and see for yourself, for example: http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Nikon/D810---Measurements http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Nikon/D810---Measurements ISO50, 14ev, ISO 12800 8ev. Then read here: http://photo.stackexchange.com/questions/21579/how-does-the-dynamic-range-of-the-human-eye-compare-to-that-of-digital-cameras http://photo.stackexchange.com/questions/21579/how-does-the-... We as humans can probably obtain 24 stops when our body uses all the tricks it has, not only optics of our "hardware".
      - TeMPOraL 11y ago
        Thanks for links here and under another comment, I learned something new today :).
- coldtea 11y ago
  >The satellite is 1 million miles away from Earth at the L1 Lagrange point. What is it about optics that allows us to compare a photo of the stars taken at such a distance with one taken from the surface of the earth? The fact that the earth in the picture is lit by the sun and has similar luminocity levels to looking at the sky from the surface during the day. The background of the picture (the stars) on the other hand, have the same meagre light they always have.
- dharma1 11y ago
  Eyes have about 24 stops dynamic range, there are sensors that have over 20 stops dynamic range with a single exposure, with multiple exposures (HDR) you can of course get way more than that. The problem is that our monitors have very limited dynamic range - so even if the original had very high dynamic range, it would not show up properly on a current monitor. There are HDR panels coming to the market this year which have more dynamic range. And of course it's possible to tonemap HDR images for viewing on normal screens - there are various algorithms for that - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_mapping https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_mapping

bumbledraven 11y ago

The satellite is 1 million miles away from Earth at the L1 Lagrange point. What is it about optics that allows us to compare a photo of the stars taken at such a distance with one taken from the surface of the earth? [Edit: "compare", in the sense of understanding whether or not the stars will or won't show up in each case. I get that the laws of optics are the same throughout the universe.] > The dynamic range difference between day light objects on earth and the stars on the sky is huge. I agree, but would a person sitting in the satellite see stars if they looked in that direction? If so, do our eyes just have better dynamic range than the camera used by the satellite?

mnw21cam 11y ago
Yes, our eyes just do have a fantastic dynamic range. Having said that, if you were sitting on the satellite, you would see even more stars if you blinkered out the brightness of the sun, moon, and earth.
- TeMPOraL 11y ago
  Don't cameras have much better dynamic range, but we just limit it in software by reducing everything into 8-12bit/color images? After all, the hardware is just a bunch of sensors counting photons.
  - acqq 11y ago
    Go here and see for yourself, for example: http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Nikon/D810---Measurements http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Nikon/D810---Measurements ISO50, 14ev, ISO 12800 8ev. Then read here: http://photo.stackexchange.com/questions/21579/how-does-the-dynamic-range-of-the-human-eye-compare-to-that-of-digital-cameras http://photo.stackexchange.com/questions/21579/how-does-the-... We as humans can probably obtain 24 stops when our body uses all the tricks it has, not only optics of our "hardware".
    - TeMPOraL 11y ago
      Thanks for links here and under another comment, I learned something new today :).
coldtea 11y ago
>The satellite is 1 million miles away from Earth at the L1 Lagrange point. What is it about optics that allows us to compare a photo of the stars taken at such a distance with one taken from the surface of the earth? The fact that the earth in the picture is lit by the sun and has similar luminocity levels to looking at the sky from the surface during the day. The background of the picture (the stars) on the other hand, have the same meagre light they always have.
dharma1 11y ago
Eyes have about 24 stops dynamic range, there are sensors that have over 20 stops dynamic range with a single exposure, with multiple exposures (HDR) you can of course get way more than that. The problem is that our monitors have very limited dynamic range - so even if the original had very high dynamic range, it would not show up properly on a current monitor. There are HDR panels coming to the market this year which have more dynamic range. And of course it's possible to tonemap HDR images for viewing on normal screens - there are various algorithms for that - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_mapping https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_mapping