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In unrelated news, Hawaii's High-Tech industry collapses. I think this policy is awesome and should be universal, but it seems a little crazy to enact it unila

In unrelated news, Hawaii's High-Tech industry collapses. I think this policy is awesome and should be universal, but it seems a little crazy to enact it unilaterally - if a company can choose which state to operate in, Hawaii is going to lose out to all the others that allow unfair (IMO) employer protections.

WilliamSt 11y ago
Aren't non-compete clauses banned in California?
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- danielweber 11y ago
  In general, but the more accurate picture is that they aren't upheld except in very specific circumstances.
- ridgeguy 11y ago
  Pretty much, as long as you're an employee. There may be exceptions if you're the owner of a business that you sell, or a member of a partnership that's dissolved, or part of an LLC that's being dissolved. Useful info on US noncompete laws: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-compete_clause#Exceptions_-_valid_non-compete_agreements_in_California https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-compete_clause#Exceptions_...
hueving 11y ago
In unrelated news, employees seek tech companies in Hawaii that don't screw them. This policy is one of the key things that makes California a great place to be an employee. Being able to quickly move between jobs opens up so many opportunities for growth and career advancement that it seems like a different world from the tech scene in NY.
sosborn 11y ago
> Hawaii's High-Tech industry collapses. That would require that we actually have a functioning high-tech industry to begin with. >if a company can choose which state to operate in, Hawaii is going to lose out to all the others that allow unfair (IMO) employer protections. If a company is based in Hawai‘i, the only reason is that they don't have any other choice to begin with. We have terribly high costs of living and a crazy low talent pool. Vast majority of development work here is DoD related and for on-site contracts.
- ams6110 11y ago
  Yeah I thought most tech jobs in Hawaii were contracting gigs for the Navy.
ljw1001 11y ago
CA has relatively weak laws in this regard and it hasn't hurt their high tech industry one bit. On the other hand, it makes it much easier to start new companies. Strict non-compete laws are a legal barrier that large, lawyer-rich corporations built to limit competition.
sandGorgon 11y ago
actually this is pretty astute from a startup viewpoint. startups are the one who usually fear ex-employer non solicit, IP and non compete clauses. So fundamentally, Hawaii is building a startup friendly ecosystem.

WilliamSt 11y ago

Aren't non-compete clauses banned in California?

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danielweber 11y ago
In general, but the more accurate picture is that they aren't upheld except in very specific circumstances.
ridgeguy 11y ago
Pretty much, as long as you're an employee. There may be exceptions if you're the owner of a business that you sell, or a member of a partnership that's dissolved, or part of an LLC that's being dissolved. Useful info on US noncompete laws: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-compete_clause#Exceptions_-_valid_non-compete_agreements_in_California https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-compete_clause#Exceptions_...

hueving 11y ago

In unrelated news, employees seek tech companies in Hawaii that don't screw them. This policy is one of the key things that makes California a great place to be an employee. Being able to quickly move between jobs opens up so many opportunities for growth and career advancement that it seems like a different world from the tech scene in NY.

sosborn 11y ago

> Hawaii's High-Tech industry collapses. That would require that we actually have a functioning high-tech industry to begin with. >if a company can choose which state to operate in, Hawaii is going to lose out to all the others that allow unfair (IMO) employer protections. If a company is based in Hawai‘i, the only reason is that they don't have any other choice to begin with. We have terribly high costs of living and a crazy low talent pool. Vast majority of development work here is DoD related and for on-site contracts.

ams6110 11y ago
Yeah I thought most tech jobs in Hawaii were contracting gigs for the Navy.

ljw1001 11y ago

CA has relatively weak laws in this regard and it hasn't hurt their high tech industry one bit. On the other hand, it makes it much easier to start new companies. Strict non-compete laws are a legal barrier that large, lawyer-rich corporations built to limit competition.

sandGorgon 11y ago

actually this is pretty astute from a startup viewpoint. startups are the one who usually fear ex-employer non solicit, IP and non compete clauses. So fundamentally, Hawaii is building a startup friendly ecosystem.