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Absolutely. I'm gung ho for IE catching up, but they don't bother to push their IE 6 and 7 users to upgrade in the same way safari, firefox and all other browse

Absolutely. I'm gung ho for IE catching up, but they don't bother to push their IE 6 and 7 users to upgrade in the same way safari, firefox and all other browsers use. Mainly, it's just creating yet-another-browser-to-test. (edit: forgot to hit reply and made a new message. doh.)

halo 17y ago
It's a critical Windows update, meaning that for most people IE will update automatically with Windows.
- joubert 17y ago
  Why are so many people still on IE 6 then?
  - zaatar 17y ago
    Because local network admins in various big companies refuse to upgrade from IE6 since they depend on internal applications coded against IE6 specifically, and Microsoft does not control every single corporate LAN to be able to force upgrades down their throats when they don't want them ...
    - rbritton 17y ago
      ... and many companies are unwilling to fork out the money for upgraded boxes until those running Windows 2000 finally die. We're stuck in that situation.
    - fserb 17y ago
      do you realize that we are at the current situation precisely because every IE version is different from the previous one and they are all different from the standards available at their time? If local network admins upgraded to the latest and greatest IE8/9 we would still be in the same horse shit regarding IE not following web standards. We would be free of "IE6 doesn't have a fucking clue about the box model". But we would be at "IE8 doesn't support canvas (or proper event bubble)". Microsoft has been using this "network admins don't upgrade from IE6" for too long as an excuse for the mess they keep putting web standards into. A proper solution for Microsoft now would be to completely ditch IE backend and use one of the current available libraries like webkit. And put in place a IE frontend that can have IE6/7/8 tabs and a proper browser (defaulting to a proper browser). Any other move coming from Microsoft is either PR or evilness.
      - cakesy 17y ago
        Yeah, but we would have to support IE7, IE8, IE9 and (All other browsers), so 4 browsers, rathe than 5: IE6, IE7, IE8, IE9 and (All other browsers).
  - pyre 17y ago
    1. There are still a lot of people running on older computers (i.e. Windows 98/ME) and see no reason to upgrade (and probably have never installed a system update/hotfix at all). 2. There are just a lot of people that don't install any system updates. 3. There are people with pirated Windows versions that don't know how (or just don't care about them at all) to hack around the 'Genuine Windows' checks. So they don't install system updates.
feverishaaron 17y ago
The only way many of the laggards are going to upgrade is if their favorite sites stop working. I think soon it will become too expensive to hack n' test for four versions of IE, and companies will start dropping support for IE 6.
- dagw 17y ago
  Most IE6 laggards are large companies with sprawling IT bureaucracy (I did some work at one up until a couple of month ago). And their favourite sites where the internal project and time tracking web sites. As long as those work they'll see no reason to upgrade from IE6 and they'll never make any changes to those sites that will break IE6. They really don't care too much whether the rest of the internet works or not.
  - pyre 17y ago
    When the CEO can't access ESPN.com from his work PC, then you'll see a big push for something to be fixed.
    - dagw 17y ago
      The CEO (and all the other big shot managers) have all received the magic blessings needed to plug their personal laptops into the company network and never even sees the desktop working environment foisted upon their menial workers (or at least that is my experience).
rbanffy 17y ago
And since when providing a nice web environment is in the interest of Microsoft? Their goal is to provide an experience as much broken as possible that doesn't offend their users and convince them to move to better browsers.

halo 17y ago

It's a critical Windows update, meaning that for most people IE will update automatically with Windows.

joubert 17y ago
Why are so many people still on IE 6 then?
- zaatar 17y ago
  Because local network admins in various big companies refuse to upgrade from IE6 since they depend on internal applications coded against IE6 specifically, and Microsoft does not control every single corporate LAN to be able to force upgrades down their throats when they don't want them ...
  - rbritton 17y ago
    ... and many companies are unwilling to fork out the money for upgraded boxes until those running Windows 2000 finally die. We're stuck in that situation.
  - fserb 17y ago
    do you realize that we are at the current situation precisely because every IE version is different from the previous one and they are all different from the standards available at their time? If local network admins upgraded to the latest and greatest IE8/9 we would still be in the same horse shit regarding IE not following web standards. We would be free of "IE6 doesn't have a fucking clue about the box model". But we would be at "IE8 doesn't support canvas (or proper event bubble)". Microsoft has been using this "network admins don't upgrade from IE6" for too long as an excuse for the mess they keep putting web standards into. A proper solution for Microsoft now would be to completely ditch IE backend and use one of the current available libraries like webkit. And put in place a IE frontend that can have IE6/7/8 tabs and a proper browser (defaulting to a proper browser). Any other move coming from Microsoft is either PR or evilness.
    - cakesy 17y ago
      Yeah, but we would have to support IE7, IE8, IE9 and (All other browsers), so 4 browsers, rathe than 5: IE6, IE7, IE8, IE9 and (All other browsers).
- pyre 17y ago
  1. There are still a lot of people running on older computers (i.e. Windows 98/ME) and see no reason to upgrade (and probably have never installed a system update/hotfix at all). 2. There are just a lot of people that don't install any system updates. 3. There are people with pirated Windows versions that don't know how (or just don't care about them at all) to hack around the 'Genuine Windows' checks. So they don't install system updates.

feverishaaron 17y ago

The only way many of the laggards are going to upgrade is if their favorite sites stop working. I think soon it will become too expensive to hack n' test for four versions of IE, and companies will start dropping support for IE 6.

dagw 17y ago
Most IE6 laggards are large companies with sprawling IT bureaucracy (I did some work at one up until a couple of month ago). And their favourite sites where the internal project and time tracking web sites. As long as those work they'll see no reason to upgrade from IE6 and they'll never make any changes to those sites that will break IE6. They really don't care too much whether the rest of the internet works or not.
- pyre 17y ago
  When the CEO can't access ESPN.com from his work PC, then you'll see a big push for something to be fixed.
  - dagw 17y ago
    The CEO (and all the other big shot managers) have all received the magic blessings needed to plug their personal laptops into the company network and never even sees the desktop working environment foisted upon their menial workers (or at least that is my experience).

rbanffy 17y ago

And since when providing a nice web environment is in the interest of Microsoft? Their goal is to provide an experience as much broken as possible that doesn't offend their users and convince them to move to better browsers.