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You're using "human trafficking" to mean illegal migration. When in fact it actually means: the trade of humans, most commonly for the purpose of sexual slaver

You're using "human trafficking" to mean illegal migration. When in fact it actually means: the trade of humans, most commonly for the purpose of sexual slavery, forced labor or commercial sexual exploitation for the trafficker or others. This may encompass providing a spouse in the context of forced marriage,[3][4][5] or the extraction of organs or tissues,[6][7] including for surrogacy and ova removal. Human trafficking is a crime against the person because of the violation of the victim's rights of movement through coercion and because of their commercial exploitation. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking

Asbostos 11y ago
Thanks for the correction. In that case it doesn't really seem to be an issue of borders. People can surely be exploited in those ways within their own country too.
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notahacker 11y ago
It's worth pointing out that trafficking operations, like drug cartels, take advantage of the legal situation. That's not to say that if borders were fully open impoverished foreigners wouldn't still be exploited by organisations promising wonderful opportunities overseas with an arrangement that is effectively indentured servitude (see: conditions attached to migrant workers in some Middle Eastern countries). But closed borders and restrictive visa rules mean that people desperate to leave their own country don't have the option of simply saving for a plane ticket, and trafficked people have the fear of punishment for their illegal status hanging over their heads which makes them that little bit more afraid to try to escape their situation.
smoe 11y ago
From the same Wikipedia article: "Sexual trafficking includes coercing a migrant into a sexual act as a condition of allowing or arranging the migration. […] Trafficked women and children, for instance, are often promised work in the domestic or service industry, but instead are sometimes taken to brothels where they are required to undertake sex work, while their passports and other identification papers confiscated." Here the closed boarders play a role. When those people won't even try to contact the police because of beeing afraid that they will be put in jail and then sent back, the closed boarders are a good thing for human traffickers, even though it makes getting in and out of a country a bit harder. Also I could imagine, if the boarders where open, people would be more likely to just try their luck in an other country than getting in touch with some creep promising wonderland for a fee.
- mattlutze 11y ago
  I don't think rgbrenner's response was in favor of closed borders, but in correcting the previous poster's confusion over what human trafficking is. As it were, if the borders were open folks wouldn't have to use shady agencies and immigration traffickers to get in at all, but could rather just save some money for a ticket and finding a job.

Asbostos 11y ago

Thanks for the correction. In that case it doesn't really seem to be an issue of borders. People can surely be exploited in those ways within their own country too.

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notahacker 11y ago

It's worth pointing out that trafficking operations, like drug cartels, take advantage of the legal situation. That's not to say that if borders were fully open impoverished foreigners wouldn't still be exploited by organisations promising wonderful opportunities overseas with an arrangement that is effectively indentured servitude (see: conditions attached to migrant workers in some Middle Eastern countries). But closed borders and restrictive visa rules mean that people desperate to leave their own country don't have the option of simply saving for a plane ticket, and trafficked people have the fear of punishment for their illegal status hanging over their heads which makes them that little bit more afraid to try to escape their situation.

smoe 11y ago

From the same Wikipedia article: "Sexual trafficking includes coercing a migrant into a sexual act as a condition of allowing or arranging the migration. […] Trafficked women and children, for instance, are often promised work in the domestic or service industry, but instead are sometimes taken to brothels where they are required to undertake sex work, while their passports and other identification papers confiscated." Here the closed boarders play a role. When those people won't even try to contact the police because of beeing afraid that they will be put in jail and then sent back, the closed boarders are a good thing for human traffickers, even though it makes getting in and out of a country a bit harder. Also I could imagine, if the boarders where open, people would be more likely to just try their luck in an other country than getting in touch with some creep promising wonderland for a fee.

mattlutze 11y ago
I don't think rgbrenner's response was in favor of closed borders, but in correcting the previous poster's confusion over what human trafficking is. As it were, if the borders were open folks wouldn't have to use shady agencies and immigration traffickers to get in at all, but could rather just save some money for a ticket and finding a job.