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"he has +300 employees, you can't personally monitor everyone all of the time" This is complete and utter bullshit. The whole animal cruelty issue has been in

"he has +300 employees, you can't personally monitor everyone all of the time" This is complete and utter bullshit. The whole animal cruelty issue has been in the news for years and to say you did nothing to investigate your own operations or do anything to monitor the activity is negligence. I saw the video too! I have a friend in the Dairy business with around 150 employees. His entire operation is video monitored around the clock. I just don't buy arguments like this. I see them as excuses. Your friend may be a good person and all but not doing more to prevent the bad apples is just no excuse in my book. The sad thing is people need to be kept in check. For if the video never came out, this dairyman would probably have continue business as usual since he never bothered to do his own audits or install video surveillance.

adrusi 11y ago
Affordable, efficient, reliable and effective video surveillance tech hasn't really been around for very long, and argiculture isn't exactly silicon valley, the people in charge aren't always very enthusiastic about embracing new technologies. I find it quite easy to believe that an owner of a dairy business might do periodic in-person audits of employees and feel that that's sufficient. Additionally, Idaho is known for its libertarian attitudes, and around-the-clock video surveillance of the entire premises is quite at odds with those ideals. I don't find it hard to imagine that an agricultural operation with video surveillance is meaningfully less attractive to employees. And finally, how bad are the attrocities in these videos relative to the conditions that animals are normally kept in? They can get pretty bad, but I don't think there's an order of magnitude of difference. How much worse is it to be beaten when you already live your life in a cage sitting in your own filth? If you are utterly disgusted by the abuse revealed in these videos, can you really justify modern livestock farming at all? Either you accept that we should treat animals as objects, as we are evolutionarily prepared to do, or you can argue that because we now have the infrastructure available to us to treat animals with respect, we have the responsibility to do so. You can choose a position somewhere along that spectrum, but if you draw the line between imprisoning animals in unliveable conditions so unhealthy that they are fed antibiotics to prevent the spread of disease, and beating them, then I'd argue that the level of precision of your position on the animal rights spectrum is irrationally high, and that it cannot be based in logic.
- a3n 11y ago
  > Affordable, efficient, reliable and effective video surveillance tech hasn't really been around for very long Animal rights activists are happy to supply it and operate it.
cwbrandsma 11y ago
My operations? I'm not a dairyman, those weren't my cows. I supposed I could stick a camera on my chicken coop.
- zajd 11y ago
  Well that's a nice way to conveniently just avoid addressing the obvious issues he's brought up with your original comment.
- nitrogen 11y ago
  "You" in that comment was probably intended to be the colloquial analogue of the third-person pronoun "one", rather than the second-person pronoun referring directly to you, the original commenter.
bayesianhorse 11y ago
Exactly. If +300 employees are too many to be effectively supervised by himself, he should consider hiring "supervisors" ...

adrusi 11y ago

Affordable, efficient, reliable and effective video surveillance tech hasn't really been around for very long, and argiculture isn't exactly silicon valley, the people in charge aren't always very enthusiastic about embracing new technologies. I find it quite easy to believe that an owner of a dairy business might do periodic in-person audits of employees and feel that that's sufficient. Additionally, Idaho is known for its libertarian attitudes, and around-the-clock video surveillance of the entire premises is quite at odds with those ideals. I don't find it hard to imagine that an agricultural operation with video surveillance is meaningfully less attractive to employees. And finally, how bad are the attrocities in these videos relative to the conditions that animals are normally kept in? They can get pretty bad, but I don't think there's an order of magnitude of difference. How much worse is it to be beaten when you already live your life in a cage sitting in your own filth? If you are utterly disgusted by the abuse revealed in these videos, can you really justify modern livestock farming at all? Either you accept that we should treat animals as objects, as we are evolutionarily prepared to do, or you can argue that because we now have the infrastructure available to us to treat animals with respect, we have the responsibility to do so. You can choose a position somewhere along that spectrum, but if you draw the line between imprisoning animals in unliveable conditions so unhealthy that they are fed antibiotics to prevent the spread of disease, and beating them, then I'd argue that the level of precision of your position on the animal rights spectrum is irrationally high, and that it cannot be based in logic.

a3n 11y ago
> Affordable, efficient, reliable and effective video surveillance tech hasn't really been around for very long Animal rights activists are happy to supply it and operate it.

cwbrandsma 11y ago

My operations? I'm not a dairyman, those weren't my cows. I supposed I could stick a camera on my chicken coop.

zajd 11y ago
Well that's a nice way to conveniently just avoid addressing the obvious issues he's brought up with your original comment.
nitrogen 11y ago
"You" in that comment was probably intended to be the colloquial analogue of the third-person pronoun "one", rather than the second-person pronoun referring directly to you, the original commenter.

bayesianhorse 11y ago

Exactly. If +300 employees are too many to be effectively supervised by himself, he should consider hiring "supervisors" ...