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It looks like that Germany is in the midst of some low intensity power struggle between many factions within the political system whether intelligence agencies,

by notNow 11y ago

It looks like that Germany is in the midst of some low intensity power struggle between many factions within the political system whether intelligence agencies, Merkel's govt, the judiciary and finally the press.

tobltobs 11y ago
That is how it is supposed to be, isn't it? Always trying to find a balance between those opposing factions. Not like the US where all have capitulated against the intelligence agencies.
- mschuster91 11y ago
  Ahahaha. Just look at the NSU neonazi shithole if the ass-kissing to the NSA doesn't show you enough, we Germans have capitulated to our and FVEY secret services too.
  - allendoerfer 11y ago
    The difference seems to be, that the US agencies are causing more damage, because they are actually competent at what they are doing, while the German agencies are happy whenever they are invited to play with the big toys - thus the ass-kissing. I think the reason for this is mainly less budget partly due to the fact, that the German agencies are often not federal agencies, e.g. each tiny state has their own Verfassungsschutz. I mean, the NSU affair was really bad, but incompetent-criminals-bad not secret-state-government-bad.
    - PythonicAlpha 11y ago
      The NSU case is rather different. I have difficulties to see how all belongs together, but I am also not sure, that incompetency is the only problem. We in Germany have a long history of blind eyes on right-wing criminality. I think, at least it is often covered, for prestige reasons.
PythonicAlpha 11y ago
It might look so, but that is a wrong interpretation. There might be some friction between different parties, but all in all, the system "Merkel" is unbelievable stable, since it is carried by the blind masses, that just don't want any change and are ready for that to swallow nearly anything, this system is throwing at them. On the other hand, it is a very bad sign for the democratic system of the this country, when now even a warning from the OSZE has arrived in this topic. I remember years, when only third- and fourth-world or Eastern Bloc countries got such warnings and in the German tv it was shown, so we Germans could smile and say, that we are better than "those".

by notNow 11y ago

tobltobs 11y ago

That is how it is supposed to be, isn't it? Always trying to find a balance between those opposing factions. Not like the US where all have capitulated against the intelligence agencies.

mschuster91 11y ago
Ahahaha. Just look at the NSU neonazi shithole if the ass-kissing to the NSA doesn't show you enough, we Germans have capitulated to our and FVEY secret services too.
- allendoerfer 11y ago
  The difference seems to be, that the US agencies are causing more damage, because they are actually competent at what they are doing, while the German agencies are happy whenever they are invited to play with the big toys - thus the ass-kissing. I think the reason for this is mainly less budget partly due to the fact, that the German agencies are often not federal agencies, e.g. each tiny state has their own Verfassungsschutz. I mean, the NSU affair was really bad, but incompetent-criminals-bad not secret-state-government-bad.
  - PythonicAlpha 11y ago
    The NSU case is rather different. I have difficulties to see how all belongs together, but I am also not sure, that incompetency is the only problem. We in Germany have a long history of blind eyes on right-wing criminality. I think, at least it is often covered, for prestige reasons.

PythonicAlpha 11y ago

It might look so, but that is a wrong interpretation. There might be some friction between different parties, but all in all, the system "Merkel" is unbelievable stable, since it is carried by the blind masses, that just don't want any change and are ready for that to swallow nearly anything, this system is throwing at them. On the other hand, it is a very bad sign for the democratic system of the this country, when now even a warning from the OSZE has arrived in this topic. I remember years, when only third- and fourth-world or Eastern Bloc countries got such warnings and in the German tv it was shown, so we Germans could smile and say, that we are better than "those".