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Can you help me understand what a fair or understanding reading of this looks like?

eevilspock 11y ago
To do that you have to be open to and understanding of if not sympathetic to criticism of contemporary tech culture as well as hipster culture. That, understandably, is harder than usual for the HN community. Dismissing the article as "bitter" or "angry", as many comments on this page are doing, is hardly a refutation, and comes off as tit-for-tat bitterness and anger. Furthermore the HN community has no problem with bitterness and anger when it aligns with the ethos here. For example there's plenty of anger at government regulation, or at GitHub's new Code of Conduct[1]. Another example is this community's reaction to charges of sexism within tech culture. While many HN commenters agree that this is a real problem, many commenters here and on other tech publications again label women as "bitter" and "angry". To me that's very troubling. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10005473 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10005473 (I would love to hear your opinions on this issue on this thread.)
- ubercore 11y ago
  So, I'd like to think I'm generally an understanding person, but I don't really follow how my opinions on GitHub censoring the word "retard" in repos (which I have no problem with; almost every use of the word I've seen is vile) impacts my ability to give this article a "fair or understanding" reading? The author of the article is essentially just lambasting someone that wrote from quite an abrasive and privileged (and often factually problematic) perspective in a blog post. And conflated it with both soylent the company and "tech" and "hipster" culture. And he basically tells them they're going to die because they're out of touch and will be put up on the wall in a firing line. I find it hard to read that kind of bombast fairly, and even putting that aside, really don't find any kind of insight in the article whatsoever.
  - eevilspock 11y ago
    > someone that wrote from quite an abrasive and privileged (and often factually problematic) perspective in a blog post. And conflated it with both soylent the company and "tech" and "hipster" culture. I think that's the key. You see a conflation, and I see the connection. (FWIW I voted up your comment even though we disagree. I appreciate your good faith.)
- ianstallings 11y ago
  There are no valid points in the article to argue against. Read the article again. This isn't some "oh well I wish they were working on clean water" post. It's "these out of touch elitist assholes will be lined up on the wall when it all comes crumbling down". That's something a paranoid fool would say. Calling it out as simplistic and being dismissive of it is the proper response imho.

To do that you have to be open to and understanding of if not sympathetic to criticism of contemporary tech culture as well as hipster culture. That, understandably, is harder than usual for the HN community. Dismissing the article as "bitter" or "angry", as many comments on this page are doing, is hardly a refutation, and comes off as tit-for-tat bitterness and anger. Furthermore the HN community has no problem with bitterness and anger when it aligns with the ethos here. For example there's plenty of anger at government regulation, or at GitHub's new Code of Conduct[1]. Another example is this community's reaction to charges of sexism within tech culture. While many HN commenters agree that this is a real problem, many commenters here and on other tech publications again label women as "bitter" and "angry". To me that's very troubling. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10005473 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10005473 (I would love to hear your opinions on this issue on this thread.)

ubercore 11y ago
So, I'd like to think I'm generally an understanding person, but I don't really follow how my opinions on GitHub censoring the word "retard" in repos (which I have no problem with; almost every use of the word I've seen is vile) impacts my ability to give this article a "fair or understanding" reading? The author of the article is essentially just lambasting someone that wrote from quite an abrasive and privileged (and often factually problematic) perspective in a blog post. And conflated it with both soylent the company and "tech" and "hipster" culture. And he basically tells them they're going to die because they're out of touch and will be put up on the wall in a firing line. I find it hard to read that kind of bombast fairly, and even putting that aside, really don't find any kind of insight in the article whatsoever.
- eevilspock 11y ago
  > someone that wrote from quite an abrasive and privileged (and often factually problematic) perspective in a blog post. And conflated it with both soylent the company and "tech" and "hipster" culture. I think that's the key. You see a conflation, and I see the connection. (FWIW I voted up your comment even though we disagree. I appreciate your good faith.)
ianstallings 11y ago
There are no valid points in the article to argue against. Read the article again. This isn't some "oh well I wish they were working on clean water" post. It's "these out of touch elitist assholes will be lined up on the wall when it all comes crumbling down". That's something a paranoid fool would say. Calling it out as simplistic and being dismissive of it is the proper response imho.