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What happened when we got subpoenaed over our Tor exit node
- justonepost 11y ago"And that was it" .. so far. I think they're getting a little ahead of themselves to assume they're in the clear simply because they haven't heard anything. Unless they did hear something extremely definitive and simply decided not to share that with us in the way they did the command letter.
- AnimalMuppet 11y agoLet's see. The subpoena was issued on June 12, 2015. They were supposed to appear before the grand jury on July 1, 2015. The article was posted on August 4, 2015. So they clearly missed appearing before the grand jury on July 1, and didn't get arrested for it. But yeah, it's a bit too soon to assume that no other shoes are going to drop...
- wtallis 11y agoThere's only one other shoe that could drop, which would be an assertion that hosting a Tor exit node is illegal in general. I doubt the Feds want to argue that directly where it could be directly opposed.
- AnimalMuppet 11y agoNo, the other shoe could be that they get a subpoena for all their logs of any form on the Tor machine or any machine connected to it, or something of that order.
- grubles 11y agoIf you want to run an exit node then this is, I think, required reading: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tips-running-exit-node-minimal-harassment https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tips-running-exit-node-mini...
- stevecalifornia 11y agoThis is barely content. "We got subpoenaed and our lawyer told the FBI we didn't have any logs and they never contacted us again." Ok, great.
- mordocai 11y agoThe point is to be a counterpoint to all the tor exit node horror stories. The point is not to have interesting content.
- tn13 11y agoI think this was an extremely useful thing to know. Having a good lawyer on your side helps. Thats is the lesson I learned.
- hisabness 11y agohow do you know the lawyer is good? i agree her letter was effective in this instance.
- Lawtonfogle 11y agoIt is like studies that say 'we tried X and nothing happened'. No where near as interesting, but we should still consider it important.
- dcminter 11y agoOn the contrary, it fights publication bias - it's important for the same reason that it's important that scientists publish negative results and don't just leave them in the proverbial drawer.
- Zigurd 11y agoIt's very useful information what with the scaremongering going on about Tor
- scurvy 11y agoDo you run a tor exit node? If not, why? If you're going to call it scaremongering, at least admit that there are very legitimate fears for most people.
- patrickod 11y agoNoisetor (sub-project of the Noisebridge hackerspace in SF) received an identical subpoena, and had the same results. We contacted our legal counsel and subsequently the FBI to explain the whole "we can't provide this information because tor" at which point they dropped our requirement to testify.
- JoshTriplett 11y agoI'd be interested to see the actual subsequent discussion with the FBI following the initial subpoena.
- rtkwe 11y agoThere is a pretty decent chance there isn't any. Once the FBI got the Boing Boing response letter they probably checked with their tech people to see if it was true that there'd be no data and/or that it IS a TOR exit node and sent a simple 'nevermind you don't have to appear' letter. This matches with how the article is written, 'we sent this letter letter and that was it.'
- JoshTriplett 11y agoThe official response to Boing Boing (the resulting "nevermind you don't have to appear" letter) is exactly what I'd like to see.
- rtkwe 11y agoThe letter BB sent in response is right there in the article. It's the bit that starts with "Special Agent XXXXXX."
- JoshTriplett 11y agoThe official response isn't, though. (I edited my previous comment to clarify what I meant.)
- rtkwe 11y agoAh, misunderstood your original comment. It's probably nothing very interesting. All that is required is something like this. BB probably got something similar. https://www.eff.org/document/letter-confirming-subpoena-withdrawal https://www.eff.org/document/letter-confirming-subpoena-with...
- mirimir 11y agoJust to be totally sure that nothing is retained, one can use Tor-ramdisk from CD on a diskless box.[0] [0] http://opensource.dyc.edu/tor-ramdisk http://opensource.dyc.edu/tor-ramdisk
- Sami_Lehtinen 11y agoThat's truly minimal package. That's great. Less than 7 megabytes. I'm just way too used to see bloat.
- mirimir 11y agoJust to be totally clear, it's a Linux distro :)