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I'm out of the loop I guess but what is "the recent GitHub stuff?"

by rubiquity 11y ago

Goronmon 11y ago
Just google "github open code of conduct" should provide a decent overview.
- Argorak 11y ago
  I did that and the first result was the GitLab code of conduct, hosted on GitHub. https://github.com/gitlabhq/gitlabhq/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md#code-of-conduct https://github.com/gitlabhq/gitlabhq/blob/master/CONTRIBUTIN... You're welcome.
  - sytse 11y ago
    Google 'thinks' highly of GitHub. Our CoC for GitLab the project is also hosted on GitLab.com https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md#code-of-conduct https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/blob/master/CONTRIBU... Our canonical source is GitLab.com https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/tree/master#canonical-source https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/tree/master#canonica...
    - pervycreeper 11y ago
      Do you have any plans to revise that in order to preempt the sorts of problems that users are having with Github? I would imagine that most of the new users are expecting an environment there which isn't r-------.
      - sytse 11y ago
        That CoC is for GitLab the project. Not for GitLab.com. Right now we handle GitLab.com issues on a case by case basis. So far it was only Gamergate but I'm sure more will come up in the future. Gamergate opted to run their own GitLab instance http://gitgud.io/users/sign_in http://gitgud.io/users/sign_in
        Argorak 11y ago
        I'm not sure if we really need to give them further exposure?
        sytse 11y ago
        That wasn't my intention.
        Argorak 11y ago
        I wasn't implying, just noting my feelings. Thanks for being engaged and direct in discussions, btw.
        pervycreeper 11y ago
        Perhaps some transparency behind such decisions when they happen again would help maintain a relationship of good faith between GitLab and its users.
        sytse 11y ago
        See our tweets in https://twitter.com/gitlab/status/519098024778530816 https://twitter.com/gitlab/status/519098024778530816
        ultramancool 11y ago
        Just want to say thank you for creating the free, open tools needed to host even more controversial stuff like this. Even if you're afraid to host it yourself, you've truly created a good for the world at large.
    - Argorak 11y ago
      I am aware of the mechanics of Google. In the context of the obvious stab of the parent to GitHub introducing a CoC and recommending to support GitLab was funny though, especially when throwing those terms in the ring.
PLCC 11y ago
The open code of conduct they have adopted. https://github.com/blog/2039-adopting-the-open-code-of-conduct https://github.com/blog/2039-adopting-the-open-code-of-condu... http://todogroup.org/opencodeofconduct/ http://todogroup.org/opencodeofconduct/ >Physical contact and simulated physical contact (eg, textual descriptions like “hug” or “backrub”) without consent or after a request to stop >Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. We will not act on complaints regarding: ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’ Reasonable communication of boundaries, such as “leave me alone,” “go away,” or “I’m not discussing this with you” Refusal to explain or debate social justice concepts Communicating in a ‘tone’ you don’t find congenial Criticizing racist, sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressive behavior or assumptions >Although this list cannot be exhaustive, we explicitly honor diversity in age, gender, gender identity or expression, culture, ethnicity, language, national origin, political beliefs, profession, race, religion, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, and technical ability. We will not tolerate discrimination based on any of the protected characteristics above, including participants with disabilities.
- amyjess 11y ago
  Yes, that CoC is seriously creepy. Saying "we're going to protect some groups but not others" is absolutely abhorrent. Either forbid all racism or allow everything (and just to make this clear: I'm very much on the side of forbidding all racism, no matter what race it targets), but saying "we'll allow hate speech about one race but we'll remove hate speech about another" is the literal definition of endorsing racism. And then the bit about "tone"; they're basically saying that they explicitly allow blatant incivility. Now, that wouldn't be so bad if they had a "we never remove anything" policy, but they clearly don't. If they're going to remove bad content, then they need to have a policy of "keep a civil tongue in your mouth or get it cut out". Also, as a trans girl, I don't tolerate anyone in my life saying "die cis scum" or #KillAllMen, and I call that shit out. (edit: so, this apparently applies only to the projects GitHub maintains themselves and isn't a site-wide thing, so it's not as bad as I've feared, but I still don't like it)
  - 11y ago
hga 11y ago
Much more significant to me than the Code of Conduct stuff (which just continues internal stuff like the purge of their meritocracy rug) is their precipitous disappearing of a repository that described itself as "X for retards", and without notice, its forks where all the current development was. See more here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9966118 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9966118 and some discussion here WRT their recent $240M round of investment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9971946 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9971946

I'm out of the loop I guess but what is "the recent GitHub stuff?"

Goronmon 11y ago

Just google "github open code of conduct" should provide a decent overview.

Argorak 11y ago
I did that and the first result was the GitLab code of conduct, hosted on GitHub. https://github.com/gitlabhq/gitlabhq/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md#code-of-conduct https://github.com/gitlabhq/gitlabhq/blob/master/CONTRIBUTIN... You're welcome.
- sytse 11y ago
  Google 'thinks' highly of GitHub. Our CoC for GitLab the project is also hosted on GitLab.com https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md#code-of-conduct https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/blob/master/CONTRIBU... Our canonical source is GitLab.com https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/tree/master#canonical-source https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/tree/master#canonica...
  - pervycreeper 11y ago
    Do you have any plans to revise that in order to preempt the sorts of problems that users are having with Github? I would imagine that most of the new users are expecting an environment there which isn't r-------.
    - sytse 11y ago
      That CoC is for GitLab the project. Not for GitLab.com. Right now we handle GitLab.com issues on a case by case basis. So far it was only Gamergate but I'm sure more will come up in the future. Gamergate opted to run their own GitLab instance http://gitgud.io/users/sign_in http://gitgud.io/users/sign_in
      - Argorak 11y ago
        I'm not sure if we really need to give them further exposure?
        sytse 11y ago
        That wasn't my intention.
        Argorak 11y ago
        I wasn't implying, just noting my feelings. Thanks for being engaged and direct in discussions, btw.
      - pervycreeper 11y ago
        Perhaps some transparency behind such decisions when they happen again would help maintain a relationship of good faith between GitLab and its users.
        sytse 11y ago
        See our tweets in https://twitter.com/gitlab/status/519098024778530816 https://twitter.com/gitlab/status/519098024778530816
      - ultramancool 11y ago
        Just want to say thank you for creating the free, open tools needed to host even more controversial stuff like this. Even if you're afraid to host it yourself, you've truly created a good for the world at large.
  - Argorak 11y ago
    I am aware of the mechanics of Google. In the context of the obvious stab of the parent to GitHub introducing a CoC and recommending to support GitLab was funny though, especially when throwing those terms in the ring.

PLCC 11y ago

The open code of conduct they have adopted. https://github.com/blog/2039-adopting-the-open-code-of-conduct https://github.com/blog/2039-adopting-the-open-code-of-condu... http://todogroup.org/opencodeofconduct/ http://todogroup.org/opencodeofconduct/ >Physical contact and simulated physical contact (eg, textual descriptions like “hug” or “backrub”) without consent or after a request to stop >Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. We will not act on complaints regarding: ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’ Reasonable communication of boundaries, such as “leave me alone,” “go away,” or “I’m not discussing this with you” Refusal to explain or debate social justice concepts Communicating in a ‘tone’ you don’t find congenial Criticizing racist, sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressive behavior or assumptions >Although this list cannot be exhaustive, we explicitly honor diversity in age, gender, gender identity or expression, culture, ethnicity, language, national origin, political beliefs, profession, race, religion, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, and technical ability. We will not tolerate discrimination based on any of the protected characteristics above, including participants with disabilities.

amyjess 11y ago
Yes, that CoC is seriously creepy. Saying "we're going to protect some groups but not others" is absolutely abhorrent. Either forbid all racism or allow everything (and just to make this clear: I'm very much on the side of forbidding all racism, no matter what race it targets), but saying "we'll allow hate speech about one race but we'll remove hate speech about another" is the literal definition of endorsing racism. And then the bit about "tone"; they're basically saying that they explicitly allow blatant incivility. Now, that wouldn't be so bad if they had a "we never remove anything" policy, but they clearly don't. If they're going to remove bad content, then they need to have a policy of "keep a civil tongue in your mouth or get it cut out". Also, as a trans girl, I don't tolerate anyone in my life saying "die cis scum" or #KillAllMen, and I call that shit out. (edit: so, this apparently applies only to the projects GitHub maintains themselves and isn't a site-wide thing, so it's not as bad as I've feared, but I still don't like it)
- 11y ago

hga 11y ago

Much more significant to me than the Code of Conduct stuff (which just continues internal stuff like the purge of their meritocracy rug) is their precipitous disappearing of a repository that described itself as "X for retards", and without notice, its forks where all the current development was. See more here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9966118 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9966118 and some discussion here WRT their recent $240M round of investment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9971946 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9971946