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Just because someone is promoted doesn't mean they can't be fired or demoted. What difference is their in your 1 year training period suggestion and simply pro

by brador 11y ago

Just because someone is promoted doesn't mean they can't be fired or demoted. What difference is their in your 1 year training period suggestion and simply promoting then firing or demoting in 1 year if things don't work out? I personally prefer providing opportunities for a gradual increase in responsibilities over outright "here's your new job title and fresh office". Then once they've shown capability with the new roles they get the increased pay and job title. I guess that's the middle ground between the two possibilities you suggested.

eitally 11y ago
Most companies don't demote at all. Even if an employee requests demotion (I have gone through this a few times, where a great technical staffer was promoted to supervisor or manager and then decided later that they really hated the change.), it was always a huge hassle trying to convince HR to accommodate it, and the employee in question had to write a personal letter requesting the demotion and explaining why.)
- viewer5 11y ago
  Does that seem unreasonable? I don't have any experience with such things, but it seems reasonable to me. The company decided you'd be most effective in position Y, so they put you there and gave you a pay/benefits raise, and now you're saying "I'd really like to do position X which is less optimal for the company even though you want me at Y and might/probably have already found someone to do X, and my reasons are A, B, and C". A letter sounds like the perfect medium to communicate something like that.
  - eitally 11y ago
    Yes, it was the right way to handle it, but my impression when I went through it was that it was completely novel to the HR organization and they were reluctant to agree to demote anyone at all, whether they were requesting it or not.
    - TheOtherHobbes 11y ago
      It's a loss of face for HR and the company. Admitting they made a bad mistake makes everyone unhappy.
s73v3r 11y ago
"What difference is their in your 1 year training period suggestion and simply promoting then firing or demoting in 1 year if things don't work out?" You don't have to pay them the higher pay for the year.

by brador 11y ago

eitally 11y ago

Most companies don't demote at all. Even if an employee requests demotion (I have gone through this a few times, where a great technical staffer was promoted to supervisor or manager and then decided later that they really hated the change.), it was always a huge hassle trying to convince HR to accommodate it, and the employee in question had to write a personal letter requesting the demotion and explaining why.)

viewer5 11y ago
Does that seem unreasonable? I don't have any experience with such things, but it seems reasonable to me. The company decided you'd be most effective in position Y, so they put you there and gave you a pay/benefits raise, and now you're saying "I'd really like to do position X which is less optimal for the company even though you want me at Y and might/probably have already found someone to do X, and my reasons are A, B, and C". A letter sounds like the perfect medium to communicate something like that.
- eitally 11y ago
  Yes, it was the right way to handle it, but my impression when I went through it was that it was completely novel to the HR organization and they were reluctant to agree to demote anyone at all, whether they were requesting it or not.
  - TheOtherHobbes 11y ago
    It's a loss of face for HR and the company. Admitting they made a bad mistake makes everyone unhappy.

s73v3r 11y ago

"What difference is their in your 1 year training period suggestion and simply promoting then firing or demoting in 1 year if things don't work out?" You don't have to pay them the higher pay for the year.